Morality

[Sleeppy]

Need to prove there is a next world.

Eventually it proves itself.

 

[Daviso452]

Eventually it proves itself.

Fine then. You need to prove it in the physical world before using it for your arguments in the physical world.

 

[Super Universe]

What would the universe tell us about something a microscopic organism does each day?

Your question has many answers depending on the level of your understanding of how the universe works.

What would the universe tell us about a microscopic organism? Us as in "all of humanity", nothing. Us as in an individual human who then spreads the information to others? Could be something new.

All information is stored in a central library (God) accessible by individual beings depending on their level of evolution, their level of evolution depends somewhat on their peers level of evolution. Information is released to individuals, per God's will, in a manner that slowly advances a species towards enlightenment.

 

[Sleeppy]

Fine then. You need to prove it in the physical world before using it for your arguments in the physical world.

I'm referring to the physical world.

 

[Super Universe]

the sad truth is that the abrahamic god called far worse scenarios moral. forget about eating dog meat focus on murdering innocent children which is what god personally did, and ordered others to do.

If you get sick, will you go to a doctor who's only knowledge comes from books written thousand of years ago? Would you even take your disfunctioning vehicle to a mechanic who only knows what humans knew thousands of years ago?

How much more do we know about the human body now than those primitive humans? How much more do we know about machines? Yet people still refer to the bible as the ultimate and only source for information about God.

 

[Daviso452]

If you get sick, will you go to a doctor who's only knowledge comes from books written thousand of years ago? Would you even take your disfunctioning vehicle to a mechanic who only knows what humans knew thousands of years ago?

How much more do we know about the human body now than those primitive humans? How much more do we know about machines? Yet people still refer to the bible as the ultimate and only source for information about God.

Doesn't that mean it's faulty and outdated?

 

[jamesmorrow]

If you get sick, will you go to a doctor who's only knowledge comes from books written thousand of years ago? Would you even take your disfunctioning vehicle to a mechanic who only knows what humans knew thousands of years ago?

How much more do we know about the human body now than those primitive humans? How much more do we know about machines? Yet people still refer to the bible as the ultimate and only source for information about God.

TRUE. the question is why? why do people still refer to the bible as the ultimate and only source for god and morality? why? when it is so obviously barbaric, immoral and outdated?

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Your question has many answers depending on the level of your understanding of how the universe works.

What would the universe tell us about a microscopic organism? Us as in "all of humanity", nothing. Us as in an individual human who then spreads the information to others? Could be something new.

All information is stored in a central library (God) accessible by individual beings depending on their level of evolution, their level of evolution depends somewhat on their peers level of evolution. Information is released to individuals, per God's will, in a manner that slowly advances a species towards enlightenment.

I was calling us a microscopic organism.... Though, now I'm regretting that and think I should've said telescopic organism, but we're far smaller than even that, but oh well.

 

[waitasec]

Eventually it proves itself.

eventually means nothing.

care to prove your baseless claim?

 

[Daviso452]

I'm referring to the physical world.

How does it prove itself in the physical world?

 

[waitasec]

How does it prove itself in the physical world?

don't you know faith is set a part from everything else in the physical world
it's the perfect disclaimer

 

[Super Universe]

Doesn't that mean it's faulty and outdated?

Yes. It helps if you can tell the difference between the baby and the bathwater.

 

[Daviso452]

Yes. It helps if you can tell the difference between the baby and the bathwater.

I'm beginning to become confused. What was your point in stating the Bible is outdated? What is the baby and bathwater in this situation?

 

[Super Universe]

TRUE. the question is why? why do people still refer to the bible as the ultimate and only source for god and morality? why? when it is so obviously barbaric, immoral and outdated?

I think you are referring to the Old Testament, not so much the New Testament. And the Urantia Book gives a very different perspective on it all, one without human prejudice and ignorance.

People want to feel good about themselves and what they believe in. If you believe something different it scares them. The absolute worst thing about religion is how it has formed people into groups. Groups that separate people who are really the same.

Another way to think of it is this, to believers God absolutely created the universe yet instead of studying the universe and everything in it (people too) to learn about God they instead look to a book written thousands of years ago by humans who were, by today's standards, quite ignorant. The people who wrote the books of the bible were afraid of comets...

 

[Daviso452]

I think you are referring to the Old Testament, not so much the New Testament. And the Urantia Book gives a very different perspective on it all, one without human prejudice and ignorance.

People want to feel good about themselves and what they believe in. If you believe something different it scares them. The absolute worst thing about religion is how it has formed people into groups. Groups that separate people who are really the same.

Another way to think of it is this, to believers God absolutely created the universe yet instead of studying the universe and everything in it (people too) to learn about God they instead look to a book written thousands of years ago by humans who were, by today's standards, quite ignorant. The people who wrote the books of the bible were afraid of comets...

Does not mean anything in the Urantia are true.

 

[Super Universe]

I'm beginning to become confused. What was your point in stating the Bible is outdated? What is the baby and bathwater in this situation?

There is truth in the bible, even in the Old Testament, it's just clouded with all the human ignorance of the sciences and male prejudice against women and those who are different.

Remember that humans of the biblical time did not understand the cause of earthquakes, genetic disorders, disease, weather, drought, meteors were "fireballs from heaven"... They blamed everything on God, even still today these things are called "acts of God" but God never did any of the cruel things He is blamed for in the Old Testament.

As for the New Testament, it's quite a contrast to the idea of an "eye for an eye". What Jesus taught is advanced for even today. Forgive your enemies?

 

[Super Universe]

Does not mean anything in the Urantia are true.

God gave you the right to free will. It's yours to do as you wish.

 

[jamesmorrow]

I think you are referring to the Old Testament, not so much the New Testament. And the Urantia Book gives a very different perspective on it all, one without human prejudice and ignorance.

People want to feel good about themselves and what they believe in. If you believe something different it scares them. The absolute worst thing about religion is how it has formed people into groups. Groups that separate people who are really the same.

Another way to think of it is this, to believers God absolutely created the universe yet instead of studying the universe and everything in it (people too) to learn about God they instead look to a book written thousands of years ago by humans who were, by today's standards, quite ignorant. The people who wrote the books of the bible were afraid of comets...

im referring to the abrahamic god, christians and muslims do not believe their god is a different god. the same god is described in the torah, new testament and quran. they also claim that god does not change. so whatever god's morals were back then remain the same. he does not change with time. he does not change his mind. or at least so they say.

 

[waitasec]

There is truth in the bible, even in the Old Testament, it's just clouded with all the human ignorance of the sciences and male prejudice against women and those who are different.

Remember that humans of the biblical time did not understand the cause of earthquakes, genetic disorders, meteors were "fireballs from heaven, disease, weather, drought... They blamed everything on God, even still today these things are called "acts of God" but God never did any of the cruel things He is blamed for in the Old Testament.

As for the New Testament, it's quite a contrast to the idea of an "eye for an eye". What Jesus taught is advanced for even today. Forgive your enemies?

i would argue that "the truth" you are speaking of is the search for answers

 

[Daviso452]

God gave you the right to free will. It's yours to do as you wish.

How do you know its true?