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More Hillary E-mail leaks...

metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
At this point, it is a "serious issue" because it could influence the election, but at some point it could be a much more "serious issue" if criminality were to be charged against her.

BTW, we have a very similar issue going on over here in Michigan with the Flint water fiasco, and our Republican governor, Snyder, is also at risk because of an e-mail problem. In this case, we are actually dealing with a life and death situation whereas this isn't the case with the Hillary e-mails.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I would suggest that instead of attributing all sorts of charges against Hillary that the self-identified Republicans should probably be more concerned about their candidates in what appears to be a repeat of the 2012 clown-car experience. If Trump or Cruz was in the lead in my party, I would have a very serious concern. Should I vote for Trump, who is obviously highly bigoted, or Cruz who is even hated in his own party in Texas? Kasich and Bush are way too sane for this party, which is why they seem not to have a snowballs' chance in hell of getting the nomination.
 
Underhill

Underhill

Well-Known Member
esmith said:
As far as the law governing the handling of classified material is concerned, it really doesn't matter if they did not have a classification at the time. What matters is that if the material was not so marked at the time of generation, whether by removing the classification or at a latter date the material is still classified. Thus by not insuring that any material could or was classified was not handled to safeguard the material a breach of security has taken place. I don't know how foggy bottom handles classified material I am highly cognizant of how classified material is "supposed" to handled in the military.
As far as I'm concerned the Hillary put her personal convenience above the security of the country. In other words if she is so dumb to not know what should or should not be considered classified she is to dumb to be the Commander-In-Chief.
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What of the argument that the law which she has 'broken' wasn't passed until she was out of office? I believe it is HR 1233 which passed in 2014...


 
esmith

esmith

Veteran Member
Underhill said:
What of the argument that the law which she has 'broken' wasn't passed until she was out of office? I believe it is HR 1233 which passed in 2014...
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Not exactly. Laws governing the handling of classified information has been around for years. See:

18 U.S. Code § 798 - Disclosure of classified information

Another reference http://uscode.regstoday.com/18USC_CHAPTER93.aspx#18USC1924
Sec. 1924. Unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or material

(a) Whoever, being an officer, employee, contractor, or consultant of the United States, and, by virtue of his office, employment, position, or contract, becomes possessed of documents or materials containing classified information of the United States, knowingly removes such documents or materials without authority and with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorized location shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.

(b) For purposes of this section, the provision of documents and materials to the Congress shall not constitute an offense under subsection (a).

(c) In this section, the term "classified information of the United States" means information originated, owned, or possessed by the United States Government concerning the national defense or foreign relations of the United States that has been determined pursuant to law or Executive order to require protection against unauthorized disclosure in the interests of national security.
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Mindmaster

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Does it really matter? :p Hillary Clinton liar videos are all over youtube.. :) Hell, even her accents are fake... She was born in Chicago, marries a guy in Arkansas and suddenly she's speaking with a drawl. Goes on later to lose it as she gets to the white house, and then periodically brings it back randomly... ;P Nothing about this woman is real...
 
Wirey

Wirey

Fartist
Mindmaster said:
Does it really matter? :p Hillary Clinton liar videos are all over youtube.. :) Hell, even her accents are fake... She was born in Chicago, marries a guy in Arkansas and suddenly she's speaking with a drawl. Goes on later to lose it as she gets to the white house, and then periodically brings it back randomly... ;P Nothing about this woman is real...
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Not like that good Canadian hosebag Cruz, eh? ;)
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
esmith said:
Did Colin Powell admit that he had classified documents on a whatever other than a "US Government secured site"?
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Yes. He admitted that he did the exact same thing she did, and that he was not aware of any laws against it.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Mindmaster said:
Does it really matter? :p Hillary Clinton liar videos are all over youtube.. :) Hell, even her accents are fake... She was born in Chicago, marries a guy in Arkansas and suddenly she's speaking with a drawl. Goes on later to lose it as she gets to the white house, and then periodically brings it back randomly... ;P Nothing about this woman is real...
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Although her claim to having been under Bosnian sniper fire turned out to be true.
 
esmith

esmith

Veteran Member
Shadow Wolf said:
Yes. He admitted that he did the exact same thing she did, and that he was not aware of any laws against it.
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Shadow Wolf said:
OK, I guess it was an aid that said it, but still, people aren't going him after they are going after Hillary.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/colin-powell-personal-email-secretary-of-state-115707
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Just one very large problem with your statement. The above was about "using a personal email account" Not having classified material on a non-secured person server. In other words Powell has never said he mishandled classified information. Do you understand the difference between using a personal email account and mishandling classified information.
 
Wirey

Wirey

Fartist
I think Hillary as president would be terrifying, and I'm what Americans would call liberal. That said, it's high time the conservatives woke up and noticed no one in the mainstream is talking about this anymore. It's a dead issue, and bringing it up repeatedly kind of makes you sound like those birther nuts.
 
esmith

esmith

Veteran Member
Underhill said:
The key to that, as I read it, is the question of authority. As Secretary of State she should have authority if anyone does.

Which, I think, is why the rules were clarified in 2014.
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WHAT?????
Please explain what the H E double hockey sticks you are talking about.
 
esmith

esmith

Veteran Member
Wirey said:
I think Hillary as president would be terrifying, and I'm what Americans would call liberal. That said, it's high time the conservatives woke up and noticed no one in the mainstream is talking about this anymore. It's a dead issue, and bringing it up repeatedly kind of makes you sound like those birther nuts.
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No it is about attempting to get those stupid enough to vote for the Hillary to understand what a self-serving, lying, privileged, person she is. The only problem is those that vote for her are the ones that have been on the tit of the government for generations and are afraid that anyone but a Democrat is going to take away their goodies.
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
esmith said:
No it is about attempting to get those stupid enough to vote for the Hillary to understand what a self-serving, lying, privileged, person she is.
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Those aren't detriments....they signify presidential bearing, political skill, & strength.
(Perspective is all, eh.)
 
C

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
esmith said:
No it is about attempting to get those stupid enough to vote for the Hillary to understand what a self-serving, lying, privileged, person she is.
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That doesn't much distinguish her from her current chief rival, Donald Trump.
Tom
 
Wirey

Wirey

Fartist
esmith said:
self-serving, lying, privileged, person (s)he is. The only problem is those that vote for her are the ones that have been on the tit of the government for generations and are afraid that anyone but a Democrat is going to take away their goodies.
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Change 'goodies' to 'guns' and you're talking about Cruz. The Who said it best, meet the new boss, same as the old boss. No one cares about her e-mails except people who hate her. They weren't voting for her anyway. This is a non-issue.
 
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