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[Dan From Smithville]

Well, I would hope to get a reasonably honest answer. And for someone to not get really offended. But anyway -- as I said -- it's been interesting. And I thank you, and sorry if I have offended you.

Now, I am not reasonable or honest. Of course, you already made the claim about dishonesty several times before, so that really isn't new. For not trying to be offensive, you really are good at it.

 

[YoursTrue]

Almost certainly untrue. Don't forget man wrote the Gospels. There are clear errors in the Gospels. One has to be reasonable when interpreting them.

My point to you is not whether Jesus raised the dead, but why a person would say he's a Christian if he didn't believe that Jesus did raise the dead and was himself resurrected?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Or perhaps claim salvation by Jesus and say that he was wrong about creation?

So I am the Devil or the pawn of the Devil. You just can't stop can you.

 

[YoursTrue]

Now, I am not reasonable or honest. Of course, you already made the claim about dishonesty several times before, so that really isn't new. For not trying to be offensive, you really are good at it.

You misunderstand, I'm afraid. Ok I can see it's difficult.

 

[We Never Know]

You do not seem to understand.

Before they "saw the light" many atheists were Christians. In fact in general atheists understand Christianity better than the average Christian does. They did not drop their faith lightly. So just because someone is an atheist does not mean that they did not believe in Jesus in the past. They could understand why taking the Bible too literally is an error.

Does that work in reverse... Like "many christians who used to be atheist know more about atheism than many atheists do"

 

[YoursTrue]

So I am the Devil or the pawn of the Devil. You just can't stop can you.

Why, you think Jesus performed the miracles recorded in the gospels?

 

[Subduction Zone]

There is no question in my mind that the earth is like a ball of sorts. Again, I am not a scientist but the rotation of the moon and the earth tells me that, aside from traveling. And views from space.

I asked you about the Christians that use the Bible to justify their Flat Earth beliefs. I was not accusing you of that.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

My point to you is not whether Jesus raised the dead, but why a person would say he's a Christian if he didn't believe that Jesus did raise the dead and was himself resurrected?

I don't know any Christian that has said this, but why does a person need to believe that in order to be a Christian? There is nothing in the Bible that says they need to believe it. It is not required in order to be saved.

 

[YoursTrue]

Almost certainly untrue. Don't forget man wrote the Gospels. There are clear errors in the Gospels. One has to be reasonable when interpreting them.

it is true about interpreting some things.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And a chihuahua understands what its like to be a wolf more than a wolf does lol

An atheist, even a former christian atheists doesn't understand christianity any better than a christian does. You can keep telling yourself that all you want. Its a sad and weak explanation and defense.

Wow! Amazingly failed analogy. Once again, many atheists were Christians.

Try again.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Why, you think Jesus performed the miracles recorded in the gospels?

Is this another test? What if I don't. Are you damning me to Hell for it? What if I do? Does that make me a better Christian?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Does that work in reverse... Like "many christians who used to be atheist know more about atheism than many atheists do"

Unfortunately not. At least not that I have ever seen. It could be possible. But I have yet to see it. Most such atheists were atheists for poor reasons. One of the big ones often was that they were atheists because they were "mad at God". That makes no sense from an atheist point of view to start with.

 

[We Never Know]

Why, you think Jesus performed the miracles recorded in the gospels?

He accepts science but also believes in a god. There is really no rational explanation in my opinion. However its called balance and peace in some peoples lives.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I always say that he could have been. I do not take the exact opposite position of those that claim he had to be speaking literally. Though I will point out that if Jesus was God and knew everything as some of those posters like to claim, then he could not have literally believed that. Jesus was supposed to be "fully man" that means that he would likely have made the same errors that others did of his time. And if he was "fully God" at that time it makes his "sacrifice" a sham since he would have known that it was temporary and mere human pain would be nothing to a god. Fundamentalists tend to argue themselves into an indefensible position by demanding that Jesus is God.

I have heard that God can make information unknown to Himself. Like a self-ignorance loophole.

 

[Subduction Zone]

My point to you is not whether Jesus raised the dead, but why a person would say he's a Christian if he didn't believe that Jesus did raise the dead and was himself resurrected?

Because that belief is not necessary to be a Christian.

 

[We Never Know]

Unfortunately not. At least not that I have ever seen. It could be possible. But I have yet to see it. Most such atheists were atheists for poor reasons. One of the big ones often was that they were atheists because they were "mad at God". That makes no sense from an atheist point of view to start with.

And most atheist that used to be christians were christian for poor reasons. Its pretty much equal.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Unfortunately not. At least not that I have ever seen. It could be possible. But I have yet to see it. Most such atheists were atheists for poor reasons. One of the big ones often was that they were atheists because they were "mad at God". That makes no sense from an atheist point of view to start with.

I have never understood that. It makes no sense that someone is mad at a being that they do not believe exists.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have heard that God can make information unknown to Himself. Like a self-ignorance loophole.

That is actually not a bad thing. What many Christians do not seem to understand is that if Jesus was all knowing that that would make his "sacrifice" a sham.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Because that belief is not necessary to be a Christian.

No it is not.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

That is actually not a bad thing. What many Christians do not seem to understand is that if Jesus was all knowing that that would make his "sacrifice" a sham.

It is difficult to call it a sacrifice when you know that it is not.