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[YoursTrue]

I don't know any Christian that has said this, but why does a person need to believe that in order to be a Christian? There is nothing in the Bible that says they need to believe it. It is not required in order to be saved.

So did Jesus raise the dead? Either he did those miraculous things or he did not. And about Moses and Jesus: Jesus said,
"If you really believed Moses, you would believe me, because he wrote about me."

 

[YoursTrue]

No it is not.

John 5:46
If you really believed Moses, you would believe me, because he wrote about me.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

So did Jesus raise the dead? Either he did those miraculous things or he did not. And about Moses and Jesus: Jesus said,
"If you really believed Moses, you would believe me, because he wrote about me."

Did you see Christ raise the dead?

 

[We Never Know]

Unfortunately not. At least not that I have ever seen. It could be possible. But I have yet to see it. Most such atheists were atheists for poor reasons. One of the big ones often was that they were atheists because they were "mad at God". That makes no sense from an atheist point of view to start with.

So its a one way street?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

John 5:46
If you really believed Moses, you would believe me, because he wrote about me.

It is still not a requirement to be a Christian.

 

[We Never Know]

Did you see Christ raise the dead?

Do you have evidence for a god that you believe in?

If not you just as much blindly believe in a god as they blindly believe jesus raised the dead. You all are like two blind peas in a pod.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And most atheist that used to be christians were christian for poor reasons. Its pretty much equal.

Nope. Try again.

Are your trying to fail again?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have never understood that. It makes no sense that someone is mad at a being that they do not believe exists.

I know. But there have been such "atheists". The lack of belief does not usually take when that is the cause. Eventually they get over their mad and go back to Christianity.

 

[We Never Know]

Nope. Try again.

Are your trying to fail again?

Nope you're wrong. Most atheist that used to be christian were raised and forced to be christian. Hence poor reasons.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I know. But there have been such "atheists". The lack of belief does not usually take when that is the cause. Eventually they get over their mad and go back to Christianity.

I have difficulty calling them atheists though.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So its a one way street?

Not necessarily. But that was not my claim. Christians that become atheist often were very devout Christians that made the "mistake" of investigating their beliefs. They found that they did not hold up. One will find that very often if one studies Biblical scholars. Almost all of them started as Christians. 'Quite a few became atheists because of their studies. The only examples of "atheists" that became Christians that I know of were those on the order of Lee Strobel. He used the logical fallacy that if he could not disprove the Christian God that he must exist. That would be is simply an argument from ignorance fallacy. The burden of proof is upon the person making the positive claim. Of course the fact that Christians always fail to justify their beliefs (and if you could find one to the contrary I would genuinely want to hear of him or her) does not disprove Christianity either. It merely means that I can no longer have a rational belief in it. Add the inherent problems of Christianity to that and there is more than enough reason not to believe in my opinion.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nope you're wrong. Most atheist that used to be christian were raised and forced to be christian. Hence poor reasons.

Most Christians were "forced" to be Christians. Your claim fails again.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I have difficulty calling them atheists though.

One rarely has to do so for long. In fact by the time that you realize that at one time that they claimed to be atheists they are usually back to claiming that they are Christians.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Nope. Try again.

Are your trying to fail again?

Sounds like you are correct according to surveys done in the US.

About seven-in-ten U.S. atheists are men (68%). The median age for atheists is 34, compared with 46 for all U.S. adults. Atheists also are more likely to be white (78% vs. 66% of the general public) and highly educated: About four-in-ten atheists (43%) have a college degree, compared with 27% of the general public. Self-identified atheists also tend to be aligned with the Democratic Party and with political liberalism.

10 facts about atheists

 

[We Never Know]

Not necessarily. But that was not my claim. Christians that become atheist often were very devout Christians that made the "mistake" of investigating their beliefs. They found that they did not hold up. One will find that very often if one studies Biblical scholars. Almost all of them started as Christians. 'Quite a few became atheists because of their studies. The only examples of "atheists" that became Christians that I know of were those on the order of Lee Strobel. He used the logical fallacy that if he could not disprove the Christian God that he must exist. That would be is simply an argument from ignorance fallacy. The burden of proof is upon the person making the positive claim. Of course the fact that Christians always fail to justify their beliefs (and if you could find one to the contrary I would genuinely want to hear of him or her) does not disprove Christianity either. It merely means that I can no longer have a rational belief in it. Add the inherent problems of Christianity to that and there is more than enough reason not to believe in my opinion.

I got news for you. If Joe says god does exist and Bob says god doesn't exist, both are positive claims.
A positive claim is simply asserting or saying that something is true.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Most Christians were "forced" to be Christians. Your claim fails again.

If you are born into a Christian family, it makes little sense to claim that those children would be allowed to opt out of the family religion.

Are you beating a dead horse again?

 

[We Never Know]

Most Christians were "forced" to be Christians. Your claim fails again.

Lol. Doesn't that include most atheists that used to be christian. You're quite comical at times.

 

[sayak83]

I'd like to take this step by step. So I'll start at the beginning of your post and won't go into every point you make. You said, "One good candidate is Nakalipithecus, an ape who lived 9.8 million years ago in Kenya." Let's start there. How do you know that a good candidate might be an ape who lived 9.8 million years in Kenya.

It has the basic features of a base ape, as far as can be inferred from the fossil. It also lives in East Africa at the correct time according to genetic mutation rate timelines (9.8 mya).
Original paper
A new Late Miocene great ape from Kenya and its implications for the origins of African great apes and humans

 

[Subduction Zone]

I got news for you. If Joe says god does exist and Bob says god doesn't exist, both are positive claims.
A positive claim is simply asserting or saying that something is true.

All of these years and you still do not know what an atheist is.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Lol. Doesn't that include most atheists that used to be christian. You're quite comical at times.

Oh my! Such an epic epic fail.