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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
LOL, that's your belief. It's not mine any more. :) You want to call yourself an ape. OK. You want to call me an ape? I'd rather be called dumb. :) lolol...have a nice day tomorrow more or less. I mean about the term tomorrow. :) And day.
The problem for you is that all you have is mere belief. I know, and can demonstrate, that you are an ape. Don't worry it is not an insult. In fact it is an insult for someone that you are not an ape. That person would be implying that you are a penguin, a pig, a monitor lizard, or some other sort of animal. That person would be implying that you are not human.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
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Do you also object to people calling you a mammal or a vertebrate? Which would you regard as being more of an insult, to be called a vertebrate or to be called spineless?
Let me put it this way -- as I am concerned, humans are not animals unless they act that way in a descriptive sense. Anyway -- so be it. Plus we are not apes. Now a gorilla might not believe that, but it doesn't matter at this point. :) You have your way of describing things, and not everyone agrees.So, to sum up, I do not agree that humans are in the classification of plants or animals. And we can go there, it might be interesting to see how humans and plants evolved from plants(?) to humans, right? :)
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
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Let me put it this way -- as I am concerned, humans are not animals unless they act that way in a descriptive sense. Anyway -- so be it. Plus we are not apes. Now a gorilla might not believe that, but it doesn't matter at this point. :) You have your way of describing things, and not everyone agrees.So, to sum up, I do not agree that humans are in the classification of plants or animals. And we can go there, it might be interesting to see how humans and plants evolved from plants(?) to humans, right? :)
People are animals. You should not attack other species because they have different behaviors than people do. If you want to claim that we are not apes you need to support that claim. I can support the claim that you and I are apes. I doubt if you can support your claims.
 

Dan From Smithville

He who controls the spice controls the universe.
Staff member
Premium Member
Did you see God? :)
Is it wrong for a Christian to use observation, logic, reasoning and seek a better understanding of the world around them?

Should a Christian just memorize and mimic without bothering to understand?

Should a Christian reject the intelligence that they were blessed with and just graze like a sheep without question?
 

Dan From Smithville

He who controls the spice controls the universe.
Staff member
Premium Member
The theory of evolution? Not necessarily. First of all, the genetic content would have to proven. And then the evolving substances from that point on. And then what was before that genetically. Sorry, it just isn't working for me now.
Good night, time to go for now. :)
This why you would be horrible on a jury and places a lot of doubts about that "do it all over again" career in science for you too.

Have genetic evidence would be great, but it is not necessary to demonstrate a relationship. Recall that Darwin knew nothing of genetics when he formulated his theory that now forms the basis of the theory of evolution.

You are going to have to demonstrate your claim that genetic evidence is necessary or concede that you are just throwing shots into the dark hoping to hit on something.
 

Dan From Smithville

He who controls the spice controls the universe.
Staff member
Premium Member
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Let me put it this way -- as I am concerned, humans are not animals unless they act that way in a descriptive sense. Anyway -- so be it. Plus we are not apes. Now a gorilla might not believe that, but it doesn't matter at this point. :) You have your way of describing things, and not everyone agrees.So, to sum up, I do not agree that humans are in the classification of plants or animals. And we can go there, it might be interesting to see how humans and plants evolved from plants(?) to humans, right? :)
You are mixing philosophy with biological fact and rejecting the biological fact without regard to the basis of it.

We are apes. Sorry to burst your bubble and shatter all your ill-gotten conceptions and denials.

You have it right on one thing. We are not plants. But it is hard to take you seriously when you show such a lack of understanding of what science says. No one is or has claimed that humans evolved from plants. Where do you come up with this?

If you do not agree, then demonstrate that the descriptions or the way of describing is flawed. All you are doing over and over again is denial based on what you want to believe. What you want to believe is not a basis for others to reject valid evidence, reasoning and explanation.
 

Astrophile

Active Member
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Let me put it this way -- as I am concerned, humans are not animals unless they act that way in a descriptive sense. Anyway -- so be it. Plus we are not apes. Now a gorilla might not believe that, but it doesn't matter at this point. :) You have your way of describing things, and not everyone agrees.So, to sum up, I do not agree that humans are in the classification of plants or animals. And we can go there, it might be interesting to see how humans and plants evolved from plants(?) to humans, right? :)

Animals didn't evolve from plants. Animals and plants are descended from a common ancestor; this was probably a single-celled eukaryotic organism that lived during the Middle Proterozoic era, between 1000 million and 1600 million years ago.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Animals didn't evolve from plants. Animals and plants are descended from a common ancestor; this was probably a single-celled eukaryotic organism that lived during the Middle Proterozoic era, between 1000 million and 1600 million years ago.
I no longer believe that.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Animals didn't evolve from plants. Animals and plants are descended from a common ancestor; this was probably a single-celled eukaryotic organism that lived during the Middle Proterozoic era, between 1000 million and 1600 million years ago.
And you know this because?? you figured it that way? (I really don't believe that any more.) So you may go on claiming what you claim, and that's the way it's going to be right now. So now, by the way, you say animals and plants are descended from a common ancestor. (OK. whatever.)
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
And you know this because?? you figured it that way? (I really don't believe that any more.) So you may go on claiming what you claim, and that's the way it's going to be right now. So now, by the way, you say animals and plants are descended from a common ancestor. (OK. whatever.)
The fossil evidence tells us so. The genetic evidence tells us so. All sorts of evidence tell us so.
 

Dan From Smithville

He who controls the spice controls the universe.
Staff member
Premium Member
And you know this because?? you figured it that way? (I really don't believe that any more.) So you may go on claiming what you claim, and that's the way it's going to be right now. So now, by the way, you say animals and plants are descended from a common ancestor. (OK. whatever.)
Then I do not understand what you intend to do here, since your mind is closed to reason and evidence.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
And you know this because?? you figured it that way? (I really don't believe that any more.) So you may go on claiming what you claim, and that's the way it's going to be right now. So now, by the way, you say animals and plants are descended from a common ancestor. (OK. whatever.)
Whether we all are from a common ancestor or not really doesn't make a difference today for a person of faith because of our belief that God created all, even if we don't know all the details. Thus, the ToE does not in any way negate Divine creation.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Whether we all are from a common ancestor or not really doesn't make a difference today for a person of faith because of our belief that God created all, even if we don't know all the details. Thus, the ToE does not in any way negate Divine creation.
It doesn't? Please explain. Maybe I need to hear again what is the theory of evolution. So can you please simplify it in a few sentences without going into the different ages and genetic details? Thanks. In other words, did humans evolve from some Unknown Common Ancestor WITHOUT "divine intervention" according to the theory?
Not to be contentious, that's almost like saying Jesus didn't really exist as written, or -- Moses never existed at all. Or maybe Abraham. Or maybe the 12 tribes. And yes, some say Jesus didn't really exist. Maybe we can go back to Pontius Pilate, too.
Now now -- I'm reading about the difference of imaginative qualities in the brains of humans vs. gorillas. I mean, we have reading, writing, printing presses, computers, guitars, wondering about life, etc. OK, ants may not be able to do things gorillas can do. :)
 

Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
No one has ever had the backbone to call me an vertebrate.

Ah I I hate to be the one to break this to you but. well. Rabbits are vertebrates don't you know.

By the way there is a secret society - The keepers of the holy handbook - who are reported to have some secret yet unreleased fragments of the original bible. One fragment was sneaked out and here is a yet unveiled fragment on creation

"And on the eight day God woke realizing creation was not yet complete. I must create something to have dominion over man for I do not completely trust Adam or Eve who have been eyeing my fruit of knowledge. So God contemplated on the life form to have dominion over man. His voice thundered through the heaven - He shall have large pointy ears to hear everything and a nose that with can discover the unseen, and sharp front teeth to do my will, and a cute fuzzy tail because I like cute fuzzy tails. So on the eight day god made the rabbit and God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. God blessed the eight day and made it holy, And then god was very tired and rested again."
 
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