Yes, you agreed with that.
I addressed what you disagreed about.
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More proof the right wing is essentially comprised of closet fascists
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I addressed what you disagreed about.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Oh, my mistake. But I do not want to get into that definitional argument again. It's about as much fun as taking a cheese-grater to the knee.
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
There is no one definition of fascism. Each party can fit into someone's definition.
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
Where did you get this definition? Both parties can fit in some portions of this definition.
Yes, I agree. That is very perceptive of you. Both parties do meet some portions of that definition.
But the point is one party meets all portions of that definition.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
That is the definition. No, as it is a far-right ideology, both parties cannot fit as fascist. It is right-wing.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
And in an excellent book by Ruth Ben-Ghiat who is a political science professor at NYU and an expert on the history of fascism and the daughter of Holocaust survivors, there can be no doubt that Trump fits that scenario. The book is "Strongmen: From Mussolini To the Present".
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
So the republican party is all of these things?
far-right - Meaningless term, what does it mean?
authoritarian - Definition:Characterized by or favoring absolute obedience to authority, as against individual freedom., the republican party promotes the individual over the collective. The house speaker debate is an example of that.
ultranationalist political ideology and movement, - If you mean America first then yeah. All Americans should be for America first.
dictatorial leader, - No leader of the US has ever had absolute power. Wilson, Lincoln and F. Roosevelt were the closest.
centralized autocracy, - See dictatorial leader.
militarism, - Funding the military and having respect for the people serving in it is not militarism.
forcible suppression of opposition, - When?
belief in a natural social hierarchy, - How?
subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, - This is not a conservative value it is a progressive ideal.
strong regimentation of society and the economy. - What is meant by this?
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
I never said it was not just asking where you got the definition.
Define far right? When is someone politically far right over just politically right?
Radical Progressives fit that definition more than any conservative I know.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
In this, the Information Age, Google is a thing. I do not feel the need to exhaustively define everything for you in what a) is easily found, and b) should be common sense. No one likes a sealion.
In what manner, exactly?
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
Well people use words differently.
The Steele dossier and the FISA memo, Obama's IRS targeting of conservative groups, Biden's FBI investigating parents at school board meetings, teaching kids ideas without the parents knowledge, changing kids gender identity without the parents knowledge, Joerg Arnu, weaponizing the FBI many examples, Basically abusing the power of the government to get their way.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
The one written by the British counterintelligence specialist Christopher Steele? Far less evidence of those dirty Progressives being "fascists" and more the actuality of other countries investigating a very real potential international threat.
I'm sure you mean the Nunes memo, written for Republican representative Devin Nunes and released to the public by the Republican-controlled committee? So much for actions by the left.
Citation needed
Major citation needed.
Ideas like?
Ah yes, the Covert Leftists Operation: GENDERBENDER wherein Progressive Leftist Fascists steal away your children and return them as something else. Ridiculous.
Citation needed
Boy, couldn't be like stacking the Supreme Court with Christofascists who lied to get their seats and then started rolling back protections to allow a myriad of tyrannical Republicans to enact their pre-written draconian trigger laws that immediately made life a living hell for half the American population, or writing laws and bills to bully and persecute everyone who's not a Straight White Christian. Couldn't be anything like that.
And never mind that none of what you're moaning about - real or imagined - is indicative or examples of fascism.
Yerda
Veteran Member
I am a socialist but not a communist.
As a statement "socialism isn't communism" has the same structure as "Christianity isn't Anglicanism". Sure Anglicans are Christian, but Christianity is a bigger set which contains all the other Christian churches and sects and whatnot.
Does that help?
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
@Yerda I tried using the example of eggs and omelets. That didn't help either; it feeds their narrative to call socialism "communism" and then point purely to instances of oppression and hardship under communism (as though capitalism is so squeaky god**** clean) as to why it's a bad and failed system.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
insurrection
noun
in·sur·rec·tion ˌin(t)-sə-ˈrek-shən
: an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government
Definition of INSURRECTION
Sounds exactly right to me.
What do you think they were doing there? How about the mob chanting "Hang Mike Pence" ... ? I'm not aware of any high school pranks where they tried to kill members of Congress and stop the certification of a legitimate election.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
They were mere seconds away from reaching members of Congress. Mike Pence fled for his life. Many in the mob were armed. They violently attacked police officers.
It was a lot more than a bar room brawl.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Not where I live.They were mere seconds away from reaching members of Congress. Mike Pence fled for his life. Many in the mob were armed. They violently attacked police officers.
It was a lot more than a bar room brawl.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
The town of Cognitive Dissonance-Ville?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
By that definition, isn't any organized attack on police an insurrection, since that is a revolt against civil authority? The police has the authority yo enforces the law. The definition above, actually places revolve against civil authority, ahead of an established government.
The riots of the summer of 2020 should also be called national wide insurrections, since these led to destruction and revolve against a wide range of civil authority; looting and burning police stations. The lawlessness was a revolt against civil authority.
Based on final costs and injuries, the Left wing summer of insurrection was far more organized and prepared to do damage. They won the battle of insurrections, in both number and scope. The Capital protest was small in scale and very weak in outcome.
They were not very prepared to have the very best insurrection they could. The Democrats, who really know how to have an insurrection, were much better prepare, all over the country, at the same time, in the summer of 2020. Their insurrection was a warning of what to expect if they did not win in 2020.
Why didn't both sets of insurrections see the same fate? Fascist think they are the law so they will define each as different. Only a Fascist can get away with an insurrection.
Was the Russian Collusion scam a coup d'etat?
A coup d'état (/ˌkuːdeɪˈtɑː/ (
listen); French for 'stroke of state';[1] plural coups d'état (same pronunciation)), also known as a coup or overthrow, is a seizure and removal of a government and its powers.[2][3]Typically, it is an illegal seizure of power by a political faction, politician, cult, rebel group, military, or a dictator.[4][5]Many scholars consider a coup successful when the usurpers seize and hold power for at least seven days.[4]
The Coup d'etat by the Democrats was not fully successful, since Trump did not lose control for seven days. But it did control the FBI, CIA and fake news to promote a lie, as a pretense to over throw a dually elected president. Why has this Coup not been punished? Is it the same reason as the summer of insurrections? Fascism? Fascist do not see their actions are illegal but a form of righteousness.