Mormon Church has $100 BILLION

[2ndpillar]

Lets face it ... You don't like the LDS...
Your posts are biased against them. so are of little value. even as opinion.
Certainly not worth debating.

Well, you certainly cannot debate against established facts. As for LDS, Mormons, Bahas, Muslims, Christians, they all seem to be under the thumb of their leadership, which seem tied to angels of light. Not that those fleeing Jerusalem didn't wind up in the Americas as Moroni writes, much like the Jews fleeing Spain and the Roman church during the Inquisition, but what does that have to do with the mostly European Mormons, and their church built in the image of the Roman church? No, I think you have eaten from the apple (Genesis 3:4), whether you call yourself a follower of Joseph Smith, or simply following the path laid down by the church established by the Roman emperor Constantine at his Nicene Counsel.

 

[JesusKnowsYou]

Nope. Shows I know what I’m talking about and that your assumptions about me were wrong.

Yeah...you claiming that you know what you are talking about - or that you are right or have credibility- because you used to hold these callings - is an appeal to authority.

Actually in your case it would be a false appeal to authority.

Also - I'm not assuming that you are wrong. I know you are.

The Standard Works are an authoritative source for the Church.

They disprove your assertions.

You claim that it - as well as my questions to you - are irrelevant because they prove you are wrong.

You having those callings in the past doesn't make you special or any kind of authority.

 

[Watchmen]

Yeah...you claiming that you know what you are talking about - or that you are right or have credibility- because you used to hold these callings - is an appeal to authority.

Actually in your case it would be a false appeal to authority.

Also - I'm not assuming that you are wrong. I know you are.

The Standard Works are an authoritative source for the Church.

They disprove your assertions.

You claim that it - as well as my questions to you - are irrelevant because they prove you are wrong.

You having those callings in the past doesn't make you special or any kind of authority.

I know what the standard works are and they disprove nothing. The church, a $100 BILLION organizations, requires tithing. If tithing is not paid then the member. Can’t get a temple recommend. If the member can’t get a temple recommend then he/she doesn’t have all the access to the ordinances required. Without the temple ordinances there is no exaltation.

Your question about child support is irrelevant. That goes to the member fulfilling legal obligations and has nothing to do with a $100 BILLION organization demanding tithing from members under threat of withholding all the ordinances and blessings available through the temple.

 

[JesusKnowsYou]

I know what the standard works are and they disprove nothing. The church, a $100 BILLION organizations, requires tithing. If tithing is not paid then the member. Can’t get a temple recommend. If the member can’t get a temple recommend then he/she doesn’t have all the access to the ordinances required. Without the temple ordinances there is no exaltation.

Your question about child support is irrelevant. That goes to the member fulfilling legal obligations and has nothing to do with a $100 BILLION organization demanding tithing from members under threat of withholding all the ordinances and blessings available through the temple.

You still have not provided any reason to believe that it is immoral for the Church to require its members to pay a full and honest tithe in order to perform Temple ordinances.

God has always required tithes and offerings from His people. Ancient Israelites needed to pay tribute and give offerings at the Temple.

Do you remember the widow and her two mites?

"And he looked up, and saw the rich men casting their gifts into the treasury.

And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites.

And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all:

For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had." (Luke 21:1-4)

Notice that the Lord made no arguments against the Temple for having a treasury or the amount of riches contained therein.

He did not deride the Temple or the priests for requiring Israel to pay tributes and tithes and offerings.

When this poor widow gave her offering - He praised her and declared that she had paid more.

It did not matter how much the Temple had or how little she did - He praised her and made no judgment about the treasury.

You ridicule the Church for doing what has always been done and you want to deny us promised blessings from God for paying our tithes?

Also - if you ever read Doctrine and Covenants 137 - you would know that it is possible to obtain exaltation without going to the Temple.

All you have been doing here is saying, "I don't like the Church. I don't like the Church. The Church does immoral things because I said so. I don't like the Church."

Cry me a river bro.

I wonder what logical fallacy you'll use now.

 

[Watchmen]

You still have not provided any reason to believe that it is immoral for the Church to require its members to pay a full and honest tithe in order to perform Temple ordinances.

God has always required tithes and offerings from His people. Ancient Israelites needed to pay tribute and give offerings at the Temple.

Do you remember the widow and her two mites?

"And he looked up, and saw the rich men casting their gifts into the treasury.

And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites.

And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all:

For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had." (Luke 21:1-4)

Notice that the Lord made no arguments against the Temple for having a treasury or the amount of riches contained therein.

He did not deride the Temple or the priests for requiring Israel to pay tributes and tithes and offerings.

When this poor widow gave her offering - He praised her and declared that she had paid more.

It did not matter how much the Temple had or how little she did - He praised her and made no judgment about the treasury.

You ridicule the Church for doing what has always been done and you want to deny us promised blessings from God for paying our tithes?

Also - if you ever read Doctrine and Covenants 137 - you would know that it is possible to obtain exaltation without going to the Temple.

All you have been doing here is saying, "I don't like the Church. I don't like the Church. The Church does immoral things because I said so. I don't like the Church."

Cry me a river bro.

I wonder what logical fallacy you'll use now.

And the widow with two mites was permitted in the temple. She wasn’t kept outside. She didn’t have her eternal blessings withheld under threat. That’s what the Mormon Church does. It’s so simple but you’re blinded by your faith.

You lose. Again.

 

[JesusKnowsYou]

And the widow with two mites was permitted in the temple. She wasn’t kept outside.

Ok. You don't seem to understand how the Temple in Jerusalem worked.

People did not come to the Temple just to hang out - but to give offerings.

There were many types of offerings - which included animals, grains and money.

Basically - everyone that wanted to worship in the Temple had to give something.

And even then they didn't enter the Temple - the building - but stayed outside within its outer walls.

Even if we didn't know that - your argument here is astounding. And by that I mean stupid.

The widow gave her offering and entered the Temple grounds.

The Latter-day Saint gives their tithing and then enters the Temple.

Why are you suddenly claiming that a Latter-day Saint who pays their tithing is denied entrance into the Temple?

N one need sot pay anything to enter the Temple grounds today.

She didn’t have her eternal blessings withheld under threat. That’s what the Mormon Church does. It’s so simple but you’re blinded by your faith.

The Temple in Jerusalem did not offer the "eternal blessings" that you are referring to here.

They only had the Aaronic Priesthood - so their administrations were similar to the Sacrament - in effect.

And only the Levites and Priests of Aaron were permitted to enter the places of worship at the Temple.

And these Levites and Priests were supported by the offerings of the people.

So - it's a lot different than how it is done in the Temples today.

Every worthy man can receive the Priesthood and enter the Temple today.

Every worthy woman can also enter the Temple today.

And rather than these Priests and Priestesses being supported by the people - they themselves pay tithing to be there.

You lose. Again.

I don't know what you did to have the spiritual light withdraw from you so - significantly - but it's affecting your ability to think rationally.

 

[Watchmen]

Ok. You don't seem to understand how the Temple in Jerusalem worked.

People did not come to the Temple just to hang out - but to give offerings.

There were many types of offerings - which included animals, grains and money.

Basically - everyone that wanted to worship in the Temple had to give something.

And even then they didn't enter the Temple - the building - but stayed outside within its outer walls.

Even if we didn't know that - your argument here is astounding. And by that I mean stupid.

The widow gave her offering and entered the Temple grounds.

The Latter-day Saint gives their tithing and then enters the Temple.

Why are you suddenly claiming that a Latter-day Saint who pays their tithing is denied entrance into the Temple?

N one need sot pay anything to enter the Temple grounds today.

The Temple in Jerusalem did not offer the "eternal blessings" that you are referring to here.

They only had the Aaronic Priesthood - so their administrations were similar to the Sacrament - in effect.

And only the Levites and Priests of Aaron were permitted to enter the places of worship at the Temple.

And these Levites and Priests were supported by the offerings of the people.

So - it's a lot different than how it is done in the Temples today.

Every worthy man can receive the Priesthood and enter the Temple today.

Every worthy woman can also enter the Temple today.

And rather than these Priests and Priestesses being supported by the people - they themselves pay tithing to be there.

I don't know what you did to have the spiritual light withdraw from you so - significantly - but it's affecting your ability to think rationally.

You just proved the temple in Jerusalem and the Mormon temple are different. That means your analogy is distinguishable and doesn’t apply. You’re right. What the ancient Jews did is nothing like Mormonism.

 

[JesusKnowsYou]

You just proved the temple in Jerusalem and the Mormon temple are different.

Yes - that is what "Mormons" (we prefer to be called Latter-day Saints) believe.

You must have been a lousy Branch President - you don't know very basic LDS doctrine and beliefs.

That means your analogy is distinguishable and doesn’t apply.

I don't see the reason in this.

The Lord Jesus Christ did not claim that those who accepted the widow's two mites were immoral.

Everyone who went to the Temple in Jerusalem offered something.

There is Biblical evidence that your argument against the Church is not supported by the Lord Jesus Christ.

You’re right. What the ancient Jews did is nothing like Mormonism.

The Israelites did not have the Higher Law or Priesthood.

The Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ was Restored in all its fullness and we live during the restitution of all things.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

You just proved the temple in Jerusalem and the Mormon temple are different. That means your analogy is distinguishable and doesn’t apply. You’re right. What the ancient Jews did is nothing like Mormonism.

Why should the two temples be identical. The LDS do not claim to be Jewish they are Christian and follow Christ's teachings. Even he had differences with the Temple.

 

[Watchmen]

Thanks for proving my point. Again.

 

[Luciferi Baphomet]

They allegedly keep it around because the belief it be needed when Jesus returns. Because, ya know, a god needs money.

I find it hilarious that gods needs money lol

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Would you feel angry if you were required to pay tithing to a $100B organization?

I would never join a religion that requires you to give money. That would be a red flag for me. You shouldn't need money to worship God (or gods, in the case of Mormonism).

 

[Luciferi Baphomet]

If gods needs money, then he is poor lmao.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If gods needs money, then he is poor lmao.

With all the money god gets, if he still needs money I think he may have a nasty drug problem. Or he buys stuff like Michael Jackson.

 

[JesusKnowsYou]

I would never join a religion that requires you to give money. That would be a red flag for me. You shouldn't need money to worship God (or gods, in the case of Mormonism).

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does not require anyone to give anything.

No one is required to give any time, effort, talent or money in order to become or stay a member of the Church.

Anyone can come to our chapels and worship with us on Sunday for nothing. You don't even need to be a member.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is not a polytheist religion.

"We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost." (First Article of Faith)

We worship God the Father through the merits and grace of His Son Jesus Christ and the ministrations of the Holy Ghost.

We do believe that all of God's children can one day become like Him - but He will always be the object of our worship.

Please stop spreading misinformation about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Keep the forum rules.

 

[JesusKnowsYou]

With all the money god gets, if he still needs money I think he may have a nasty drug problem. Or he buys stuff like Michael Jackson.

The money is not for God - it's used to run His affairs on Earth.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The money is not for God - it's used to run His affairs on Earth.

What does god need with money? If he's god, it's absurd he'd be limited by money.

 

[JesusKnowsYou]

What does god need with money? If he's god, it's absurd he'd be limited by money.

It is not God - but His servants on Earth - who need the money.

God's servants used livestock and grain back when those were used as currency as well.

God wants His servants anxiously engaged in good works and service to their fellow man.

This requires resources.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It is not God - but His servants on Earth - who need the money.

God's servants used livestock and grain back when those were used as currency as well.

God wants His servants anxiously engaged in good works and service to their fellow man.

This requires resources.

Surely if god can provide mana from Heaven and feed the masses with little then a limitless debit card is a sintch.

 

[JesusKnowsYou]

Surely if god can provide mana from Heaven and feed the masses with little then a limitless debit card is a sintch.

God and His miracles have a positive correlation with the faith of His people.

Basically - the more faith exhibited by a people the more miracles they should expect.

The New Testament record that the Lord Jesus Christ could not perform miracles or "mighty works" at His hometown because of their unbelief.

Now - this is not to say that God or the Lord Jesus Christ are limited - at His Second Coming the unbelief of the people won't matter.

However - God has promised His children that He would not overtly intervene in their lives unless they asked Him to with faith.

Also - the need of the request is prevalent. Did millions of ancient Israelites actually need the manna or could they have gotten by some other way in the desert?

We should also not forget how the Lord desires that His children work and experience things for themselves.

He does not pass up opportunities to teach His children how to thrive in their environment.

Basically - in summary - you are ignorant of God and how He works. You don't know what you are talking about.