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Mormon Church refuses to bless children of Same-Sex Couples.

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gsa

gsa

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Katzpur said:
And you know I was opposed to their involvement.
I understand that, but your post #31 didn't exactly strike me as an invitation to a respectful dialogue.
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It is very difficult to have respectful dialogue with Mormons over matters of doctrine if you are gay or atheist. Not a criticism of you, just a neutral observation.
 
gsa

gsa

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leibowde84 said:
This seems like a pretty pathetic attempt to show their refusal to accept same-sex marriage by targeting children. Can anyone explain how this is morally acceptable according to the teachings of Christ?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/11/05/mormon-church-to-exclude-children-of-same-sex-couples-from-getting-blessed-and-baptized-until-they-are-18/?hpid=hp_rhp-more-top-stories_no-name:homepage/story
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Personally, I welcome this development. This is what the Latter Day Saints believe. There should not be any illusions about accepting LGBT people if that is not in the cards. That includes their families and children. In fact, the Mormon church has done outsiders a great favor by broadcasting its position on this issue, and refusing to indulge in confusion.

Nothing has actually changed, as Katzpur alludes to, regarding doctrine. The LDS Church is anti-gay in theology and spirituality and religious practice, and nominally tolerant in some other areas. Now people have more information to evaluate the church and its claims. I see nothing wrong with it.
 
leibowde84

leibowde84

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gsa said:
Personally, I welcome this development. This is what the Latter Day Saints believe. There should not be any illusions about accepting LGBT people if that is not in the cards. That includes their families and children. In fact, the Mormon church has done outsiders a great favor by broadcasting its position on this issue, and refusing to indulge in confusion.

Nothing has actually changed, as Katzpur alludes to, regarding doctrine. The LDS Church is anti-gay in theology and spirituality and religious practice, and nominally tolerant in some other areas. Now people have more information to evaluate the church and its claims. I see nothing wrong with it.
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Tolerant? Didn't it take them until the 80s to recognize equality between races?
 
Unification

Unification

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columbus said:
So what is it?
Mormons used to be polygamous and racist. Some still are, Warren Jeffs ilk still exist. You may not think that they are "true" Mormons, but they think the same of you.
Tom
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It takes great courage to swallow pride and change. I'd guess that was a gradual shift, with some resistance, and in which some refused to shift. When someone teaches something, especially for long enough... Regardless of how ridiculous it is, their name and reputation become more important than anything and will justify holding on at all costs.
 
Unification

Unification

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Katzpur said:
Nobody is expected to disown his family when he gets baptized. It is entirely possible to disavow a lifestyle without disowning the person who practices it.
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If the child has taken any baths, it would be the same as being baptized in a church building. Getting wet with water. I'm sure the child hasn't disowned his family after they gave him/her a bath.

If the child ends up being baptized within at some point, he/she will want nothing to do with church buildings and see his/her family as any other equal and free human being.
 
McBell

McBell

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leibowde84 said:
This seems like a pretty pathetic attempt to show their refusal to accept same-sex marriage by targeting children. Can anyone explain how this is morally acceptable according to the teachings of Christ?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/11/05/mormon-church-to-exclude-children-of-same-sex-couples-from-getting-blessed-and-baptized-until-they-are-18/?hpid=hp_rhp-more-top-stories_no-name:homepage/story
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It fits.
I mean, it is not the first time God punishes the children for the actions of the parents.
 
Katzpur

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Unification said:
If the child has taken any baths, it would be the same as being baptized in a church building. Getting wet with water. I'm sure the child hasn't disowned his family after they gave him/her a bath.
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Weird logic there, but to each his own.

If the child ends up being baptized within at some point, he/she will want nothing to do with church buildings and see his/her family as any other equal and free human being.
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That's nice. Keep working on those English skills. One of these days, you might be able to actually write a coherent sentence.
 
leibowde84

leibowde84

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Mestemia said:
"Pretty sure" huh?
well i am two crickets farts more pretty sure the standard was set by god through the Bible.
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Actually, you merely believe you are two fats more pretty sure. And, ones confidence in their beliefs in no way make them more likely to be true.
 
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columbus

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gsa said:
There should not be any illusions about accepting LGBT people if that is not in the cards. That includes their families and children.
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Also the large and growing number of people who are not gay, but not narrow either. The biggest and most influential group driving the equal rights for gays movement are straight people who are better educated than their parents.

LDS might hold on to the older LGBT supporters like Katzpur. But younger people might not be so willing to compromise their beliefs.
Tom
 
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