SkepticThinker
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Wow, so literally right underneath the spot where you denounce my anecdotal example that counters your assertion that adopted parents can't bond with their children, you provide your very own anecdotal example about how there are no gay people in gypsy communities? (All I needed to disprove your claim was one example, by the way). And you really believe that there are no gay gypsies? I bet the president of Iran was totally accurate when he said there were no gay people in Iran too, right? Good grief!No one is disputing that. I am merely stating a hurdle in their ability to raise children
Because there is no biological link between them. My children are the product of both me and my wife. We created them together and that creates a bond like no other bond. I love my nieces and nephews but not in the same way as I do my child. In fact, I do not love anyone in the same way as I love my children. It is a special bond between two people who are biologically linked. I do not believe that the same things exist between children who are adopted and their parents. I believe it is a spiritual link.
Your cousin is also another of your straw men. Your argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated my proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition, your cousin. Just because she preferred her adopted mum to her biological mum does not set a precedence, or disprove my argument of spiritual bonding between a child and her/his parents. Attempting to generalize an entire population of people from a sample of one doesn’t make sense. There is always going to be an exception to the rules.
Are you suggesting that I do not feel the same about my extended family when you say "You may not", because that is not what I said. What I said was. " I love my nieces and nephews but not in the same way as I do my child."
Yes, but I have never had a friend that I love as much as my family.
Do you really think that?
It will still mean that one of them will not be the biological parent.
Yes, because that is what they love to tell us.
Don't they, are you sure, or is this anecdotal?
How do you know that. Where is your evidence, or should I just accept it on your say so.
I have not conducted any surveys or studies so the figure you just pointed my way is a falsehood.
Why wouldn't they make it through the adoption vetting process. Why would they tell anybody what they do for entertainment?
It is one significant reason, along with perpetuating my name and bringing into mortality those who eagerly wait to get a body of flesh and blood. But one of the main reasons was to follow in the footsteps of those who have gone before me. To make my parents grandparent, to follow societies norm by doing what everyone else was doing, and to care for someone who would be dependant on me. So the reasons are multifaceted.
Yes, I am aware of that and have told you that many times
Nothing in our entire universe just is, there is always a reason and it is my opinion that social conditioning plays a key role in making people who they are.
No, because that would invoke a choice and there is no choice with social conditioning. it is a gradual process that will appear to them to be just what they are and have always been, and probably what they initially think that everyone else is.. The sexual perversion is a separate issue that muddies the water, Nobody is compelled to have sex. It is not the essence of life or an absolute necessity. Nobody has ever died as a result of a poor sex life. and it is not a fundamental right. In the way that heterosexuals do, guided by external influences and internal biology, causing a feminine disposition that will ultimately be realised as being gay. Nobody needs to lay with a man as he does a woman. It is all down to self control and Choosing The Right.
My children were not even aware of the existence of gays until they were 12-13 years old. They had not developed a sexual preference until then. They were still innocent to that stuff. Children are not attracted to the same sex or the opposite sex. It is not a part of their world until adolescence kicks in.
No, I do not believe that any of my children could have been gay. The environment that they were raised in would not have allowed for that. I don't know if you have travelers, or gypsies, in the US, but over here their are a lot. There are very few homosexuals in their communities because their environment is driven by masculinity leaving little option for them to drift in that direction. My wife is a traveler and of the thousands of travelers she either know or is related to, not one of them is gay. Proof positive that social conditioning play a big role in homosexuality.
There's no evidence that there is this environment that causes otherwise heterosexual kids to turn gay (or stops the creation of gay people). There is no evidence that gay parents produce gay children just because that child was raised by gay people. This is primitive and outdated thinking. The people in these gypsy communities who are gay are probably just terrified to come out of the closet to a group of people who wouldn't accept them.
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