Mosaic law still present?

[metis]

I rather not be under a set of barbaric code of laws.

In both historical and theological contexts, they are hardly "barbaric".

 

[sooda]

No one gave Paul the time of day except the unknown author of 2 Peter, and Paul's supposed associates, such as Luke, who supposedly wrote Acts, and observed nothing, but simply scribed the stories of unnamed others, such as Paul (Luke 1:1-3). All the disciples/servants/slaves of Yeshua were obligated to leave the tares alone (Matthew 13:27-29), that would include to leave alone the head tare, the false prophet Paul. Paul, as the "false prophet" had his place in Scripture (Zechariah 11:7-10) & (Revelation 16:13-16) & (Matthew 7:15-23). Paul's "demon" spirit is now busy gathering the kings/leaders of the world (Revelation 16:13) to come against Jerusalem at YHWH's valley of judgment (Joel 3:2 & 12), (Revelation 16:16), and (Zechariah 14:-3). If you can't detect the spike in lying and frustration of the present world, take a minute to watch the news, preferably Breitbart.org. No use watching the discredited CNN. This is a lead up to the "awesome day of the LORD", whereas there will be "survivors on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem" (Joel 2:31-32). The demons and their surrogates are in full battle mode, knowing their time is short, and somehow thinking they can pull off a coup.

The "liberal" Pharisees, the Progressives of today, who think no "good fruit" is necessary, will be cut down and thrown into the fire (Matthew 3:1). They were known as "vipers" around 2000 years ago (Matthew 3:7-10). Today, they would be referred to as the "deceived" (Revelation 13:14).

Why do you call the Pharisees liberal?

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

In both historical and theological contexts, they are hardly "barbaric".

You would get stoned to death if two unmarried people had sex. That my friend is barbaric.

 

[2ndpillar]

Why do you call the Pharisees liberal?

The defining term for the Pharisee was "leaven" as in being hypocrites, such as being double minded. The "scribes", those with "lying pens" (Jeremiah 8:8), were linked with the Pharisees. In todays world of the "house of Israel", which is scattered among the nations, the term "scribe", would refer to the liberal media, which is best characterized by CNN, and rags such as the liberal Washington post. You are what you eat, such as with the bread of life. You can always choose to eat from the plate of liberal/Progressive media, or choose a different course of bread without leaven, such as unleavened bread. Apparently, the "many" follow the lying pens of the scribes, as they seem to cast the majority of votes. Thank God we live in a Republic.

 

[sooda]

The defining term for the Pharisee was "leaven" as in being hypocrites, such as being double minded. The "scribes", those with "lying pens" (Jeremiah 8:8), were linked with the Pharisees. In todays world of the "house of Israel", which is scattered among the nations, the term "scribe", would refer to the liberal media, which is best characterized by CNN, and rags such as the liberal Washington post. You are what you eat, such as with the bread of life. You can always choose to eat from the plate of liberal/Progressive media, or choose a different course of bread without leaven, such as unleavened bread. Apparently, the "many" follow the lying pens of the scribes, as they seem to cast the majority of votes. Thank God we live in a Republic.

Do you really think John of Patmos was a psychic who was predicting thousands of years into the future?

Why would he or Jesus neglect the early church or the people of the first century?

 

[2ndpillar]

Do you really think John of Patmos was a psychic who was predicting thousands of years into the future?

Why would he or Jesus neglect the early church or the people of the first century?

I think you have missed who the book of Revelation came from. "Revelation 1:1," he sent and communicated it by his angel to his bond-servant John". The revelations would be by the angel of the lord. Yeshua's message to his people was to "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand". When that message finishes reaching the "whole world", then "the end shall come" (Matthew 24:14). What people have been hearing, is from your false prophet Paul, and is the false gospel of grace/cross, which is antithetical to the gospel of the kingdom. The message to the 7 "early" churches was shape up or ship out (Revelation 1:2-3). That is the same message given to the sons of Israel from the time of Moses.

 

[sooda]

I think you have missed who the book of Revelation came from. "Revelation 1:1," he sent and communicated it by his angel to his bond-servant John". The revelations would be by the angel of the lord. Yeshua's message to his people was to "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand". When that message finishes reaching the "whole world", then "the end shall come" (Matthew 24:14). What people have been hearing, is from your false prophet Paul, and is the false gospel of grace/cross, which is antithetical to the gospel of the kingdom. The message to the 7 "early" churches was shape up or ship out (Revelation 1:2-3). That is the same message given to the sons of Israel from the time of Moses.

The use of oikoumenē instead of kosmos indicates that the events that were about to unfold were confined to the Roman Empire. The same word is used in Matthew 24:14, Luke 2:1, and Acts 11:28.

Revelation is not describing a worldwide apocalyptic conflagration. Revelation is a prophetic symbolic description of what Jesus prophesied would happen to the temple, the capital city of Israel, and the old covenant world made of things that were destined to pass away. Jesus is the new everything. He’s the better temple, sacrifice, priest, and guarantor of a new covenant:

The book of Revelation is not a warning to what was going to happen to Israel.

Jesus had made that clear 35 years before in the Olivet Discourse. Revelation was delivered to seven churches made up of Christians as a wake-up call. They would suffer the same fate as Israel if they followed in the theological moral footsteps of Israel.

 

[metis]

You would get stoned to death if two unmarried people had sex. That my friend is barbaric.

Again, one has to put it into the context of the times, plus penalties like that are maximum penalties according to Jewish Law. The prophets repeatedly taught about having "mercy" and forgiveness.

Here are the 613 Laws as found in Torah Judaism 101: A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments), plus let me remind you that western laws are largely Judeo-Christian based

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

Again, one has to put it into the context of the times, plus penalties like that are maximum penalties according to Jewish Law. The prophets repeatedly taught about having "mercy" and forgiveness.

Here are the 613 Laws as found in Torah Judaism 101: A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments), plus let me remind you that western laws are largely Judeo-Christian based

The prophets went around saying "do what god wants or he's going to punish you." That's not mercy and forgiveness. That ruling by fear. And the sole fact that there's a punishment for two unmarried consensual adults having sex tells you how barbaric the law system was. Not to mention it condones slavery.

You could say that our culture is heavy influenced by them, but the more we shed there influence the more our society better itself.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Does the Mosaic law have a relevance in today's society (anywhere or everywhere)? Did Jesus do away with it?

Here's one of those bible webpage articles: (it's long and you find more at the web page, I died blue the short part at the beginning that caused me to post this.) I find this idea proposed a bit absurd. Jesus didn't change the fundamental nature of man.

It depends on what you mean. To whom was the Mosaic Law given? Answer: to the People of Israel. Not to the world. Not to humanity. "And the LORD said to Moses, Speak to the Children of Israel saying..." Non-Jews have NEVER had to worry about keeping the Sabbath or keeping kosher. But for Jews it is a different story. It is part of our identity.

Jesus himself, an observant Jew, was crystal clear that he was not abrogating the Torah. He said that not even the smallest brush stroke would pass away from the Law until heaven and earth had passed away.

For those of us that are Jews, Torah is our concern. It is what unites us as a People. It is about as relevant as you can get.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

You would get stoned to death if two unmarried people had sex. That my friend is barbaric.

Actually an unmarried man and unmarried woman having sex would...make them married.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

The "liberal" Pharisees, the Progressives of today, who think no "good fruit" is necessary, will be cut down and thrown into the fire (Matthew 3:1). They were known as "vipers" around 2000 years ago (Matthew 3:7-10). Today, they would be referred to as the "deceived" (Revelation 13:14).

I'm not sure why you think the Pharisees were "liberal" (by which I think you mean allowed licentiousness). Both schools of Pharisees taught Torah and fully expected every Jew to keep it. Now RELATIVE to one another, you had the school of Shammai (who Jesus argued with) which was highly restrictive and demanding, and you had the school of Hillel (of which Jesus was a part) that was less legalistic, and looked for ways to make the Law less of a burden on people, while still remaining true to it. So you MIGHT say that bet Hillel was the more liberal of the two. But that is NOT the same thing as saying that it was liberal. Besides, the school that Jesus argued with was the more severe one.

 

[2ndpillar]

I'm not sure why you think the Pharisees were "liberal" (by which I think you mean allowed licentiousness). Both schools of Pharisees taught Torah and fully expected every Jew to keep it. Now RELATIVE to one another, you had the school of Shammai (who Jesus argued with) which was highly restrictive and demanding, and you had the school of Hillel (of which Jesus was a part) that was less legalistic, and looked for ways to make the Law less of a burden on people, while still remaining true to it. So you MIGHT say that bet Hillel was the more liberal of the two. But that is NOT the same thing as saying that it was liberal. Besides, the school that Jesus argued with was the more severe one.

Yeshua referred to both the Pharisees and the Sadducees as leaven/hypocrites (Matthew 16:6 & 12) & (Luke 12:1). His message was do as they say, not as they do (Matthew 23:3). The liberals of today, are the more defined hypocrites, and follow the path of the Pharisee Paul, who says to keep the law of God with your mind and the law of sin with your flesh (Romans 7:25). The "teachings" of the Pharisees were based on the "lying pen of the scribes", being the Talmud, which made the "law" "into a lie" (Jeremiah 8:8). That corresponds to the "hypocrites" of today, the liberals, and the liberal media, being the lying pen of the scribes of today. The expressed love and peace of the liberals is best portrayed in the New York liberal Senate cheering the law allowing for the death of live born babies. https://www.faithwire.com/2019/01/2...ter-passing-horrific-late-term-abortion-bill/ That would correspond to the Jews sacrificing their children to the fire (Ezekiel 16:21) & (Leviticus 18:21), or in this case, offering the children to the basement furnace, in honor of the gods of convenience, by means of financial support from "many" of the liberal Jewish community to the liberal senate members. The consequences will be "woe, woe to you" (Ezekiel 16:23) to all supporters of such actions, including RINOs. Best not to live in New York, which according to statistics, numbers of Jews are moving out of state, even before the cut off of state tax deductions. They probably thought they saw the abomination of desolation of Daniel, and are fleeing to the mountains of neighboring states.

Leviticus 18:21You must not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molech, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the LORD. 22You must not lie with a man as with a woman; that is an abomination.…

The New York Senate was seen erupting in feverish applause after voting 38-24 to approve a bill which would allow abortion up to birth. Heralded as a major victory for pro-abortion activists, the Reproductive Health Act (RHA) was signed on the 46th anniversary of the Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade.

Why is the new legislation so horrifying?
Simply put, the RHA will allow for the termination of fully formed babies. The killings can take place if the patient is 24 weeks from the commencement of pregnancy, if there is an absence of fetal viability, or, if “the abortion is necessary to protect the patient’s life or health.”

Critically, however, the intentional ambiguity of that last part allows for the destruction of the baby at any point during pregnancy should the doctor deem the mother’s wellbeing is at risk. The term “wellbeing” is, in itself, terrifyingly non-specific. So, with regards to these life and death decisions, physicians will be asked to assess “all factors — physical, emotional, psychological, familial, and the woman’s age — relevant to the wellbeing of the patient.”

Effectively, abortion will be available “on demand” up until birth — if the woman wants to terminate her fully-formed child because she claims it is too much for her to deal with financially, emotionally or otherwise, she will be allowed to do so.

 

[dfnj]

Does the Mosaic law have a relevance in today's society (anywhere or everywhere)? Did Jesus do away with it?

Here's one of those bible webpage articles: (it's long and you find more at the web page, I died blue the short part at the beginning that caused me to post this.) I find this idea proposed a bit absurd. Jesus didn't change the fundamental nature of man.

The only way to gain real favor with God is by slitting a goat or lamb's throat. It is will known this is true.

 

[sooda]

Yeshua referred to both the Pharisees and the Sadducees as leaven/hypocrites (Matthew 16:6 & 12) & (Luke 12:1). His message was do as they say, not as they do (Matthew 23:3). The liberals of today, are the more defined hypocrites, and follow the path of the Pharisee Paul, who says to keep the law of God with your mind and the law of sin with your flesh (Romans 7:25). The "teachings" of the Pharisees were based on the "lying pen of the scribes", being the Talmud, which made the "law" "into a lie" (Jeremiah 8:8). That corresponds to the "hypocrites" of today, the liberals, and the liberal media, being the lying pen of the scribes of today. The expressed love and peace of the liberals is best portrayed in the New York liberal Senate cheering the law allowing for the death of live born babies. https://www.faithwire.com/2019/01/2...ter-passing-horrific-late-term-abortion-bill/ That would correspond to the Jews sacrificing their children to the fire (Ezekiel 16:21) & (Leviticus 18:21), or in this case, offering the children to the basement furnace, in honor of the gods of convenience, by means of financial support from "many" of the liberal Jewish community to the liberal senate members. The consequences will be "woe, woe to you" (Ezekiel 16:23) to all supporters of such actions, including RINOs. Best not to live in New York, which according to statistics, numbers of Jews are moving out of state, even before the cut off of state tax deductions. They probably thought they saw the abomination of desolation of Daniel, and are fleeing to the mountains of neighboring states.

Leviticus 18:21You must not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molech, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the LORD. 22You must not lie with a man as with a woman; that is an abomination.…

The New York Senate was seen erupting in feverish applause after voting 38-24 to approve a bill which would allow abortion up to birth. Heralded as a major victory for pro-abortion activists, the Reproductive Health Act (RHA) was signed on the 46th anniversary of the Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade.

Why is the new legislation so horrifying?
Simply put, the RHA will allow for the termination of fully formed babies. The killings can take place if the patient is 24 weeks from the commencement of pregnancy, if there is an absence of fetal viability, or, if “the abortion is necessary to protect the patient’s life or health.”

Critically, however, the intentional ambiguity of that last part allows for the destruction of the baby at any point during pregnancy should the doctor deem the mother’s wellbeing is at risk. The term “wellbeing” is, in itself, terrifyingly non-specific. So, with regards to these life and death decisions, physicians will be asked to assess “all factors — physical, emotional, psychological, familial, and the woman’s age — relevant to the wellbeing of the patient.”

Effectively, abortion will be available “on demand” up until birth — if the woman wants to terminate her fully-formed child because she claims it is too much for her to deal with financially, emotionally or otherwise, she will be allowed to do so.

You have absolutely missed the point. Some children are born with severe multiple birth defects and cannot survive without endless heroic efforts. Physicians, parents and midwives have let these children go since the beginning of time.

 

[2ndpillar]

It depends on what you mean. To whom was the Mosaic Law given? Answer: to the People of Israel. Not to the world. Not to humanity. "And the LORD said to Moses, Speak to the Children of Israel saying..." Non-Jews have NEVER had to worry about keeping the Sabbath or keeping kosher. But for Jews it is a different story. It is part of our identity.

You appear to be making up Scripture as you go along. And as for Jews, the house of Judah, they do not represent the "house of Israel", which remains "scattered among the nations/Gentiles" (Ezekiel 36:17 & 19), who have yet to be "gathered out" (Ezekiel 36:24).

Isaiah 56:6 And the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD to minister to Him, to love the name of the LORD, and to be His servants— all who keep the Sabbath without profaning it and who hold fast to My covenant— 7 I will bring them to My holy mountain and make them joyful in My house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and sacrifices will be accepted on My altar, for My house will be called a house of prayer for all the nations.”…

 

[2ndpillar]

You have absolutely missed the point. Some children are born with severe multiple birth defects and cannot survive without endless heroic efforts. Physicians, parents and midwives have let these children go since the beginning of time.

You might want to read the law. The babies can be terminated for any reason deemed for the well being of the mother, and not limited to "birth defects", which could include financial difficulties, which is the case in probably 98% of all births. Keep in mind that the mosaic law in question also goes on to include the "abomination" of men sleeping with men as with women. Another platform issue of the liberal agenda.(Leviticus 18:22) But that is all right, for the men of Sodom thought they were being loving to the pals or the angel of the LORD, but unfortunately for them, they wound up blind, and subsequently dead. I think the same "woe" is coming for the supporters of both issues, but the source of the fire will be from the front end of a "locust", like a "scorpion" (Revelation 9:5), somewhat like a Scorpion attach helicopter, but not exactly.

 

[sooda]

You might want to read the law. The babies can be terminated for any reason deemed for the well being of the mother, and not limited to "birth defects", which could include financial difficulties, which is the case in probably 98% of all births. Keep in mind that the mosaic law in question also goes on to include the "abomination" of men sleeping with men as with women. Another platform issue of the liberal agenda.(Leviticus 18:22) But that is all right, for the men of Sodom thought they were being loving to the pals or the angel of the LORD, but unfortunately for them, they wound up blind, and subsequently dead. I think the same "woe" is coming for the supporters of both issues, but the source of the fire will be from the front end of a "locust", like a "scorpion" (Revelation 9:5), somewhat like a Scorpion attach helicopter, but not exactly.

Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because they were unwelcoming to strangers.. not because of homosexuality.

What about locusts? People in the ME love locusts, consider them a boon and food for man and livestock.

 

[2ndpillar]

Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because they were unwelcoming to strangers.. not because of homosexuality.

What about locusts? People in the ME love locusts, consider them a boon and food for man and livestock.

The men of Sodom were destroyed because they were too welcoming to strangers, and wanted to have sex with them. Not a good idea to try and have sex with a messenger of God. But then again, the liberals try and view up as down and down as up, and good as evil, and evil as good. (Isaiah 5:20). The mosaic law prohibits homosexuality (Leviticus 18:22), which apparently carries over into trying to have sex with the messengers of God.

As for locust, the Saudi's are having trouble with them in Mecca and Egypt has problems also. They are not too happy about it. As Saudi's are descendants of Ishmael, what can they expect. Locust have a tendency to eat the animal fodder and crops, leaving man and beast without food. They are generally considered a plague, except in the case of the liberals, who apparently live in the concrete cities.

United Nations Warns That Billions Of Locusts Now Gathering On Both Sides Of The Red Sea Preparing To Swarm Egypt And Saudi Arabia • Now The End Begins...
Right now, billions of locusts are descending on Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Kinda funny, though, how these swarms almost always skip right over Israel, isn’t it? ... That will happen during the time of Jacob’s trouble. In the meantime, enjoy this Tribulation preview of locusts in the Middle East.

The Recent Plague Of Locusts At Mecca In Saudi Arabia Is Further Proof That Allah Is Not The God Of The Bible • Now The End Beginslocusts-mecca-saudi-arabia...
The Recent Plague Of Locusts At Mecca In Saudi Arabia Is Further Proof That Allah Is Not The God Of The Bible. ... The Bible tells us that Ishmael is a born trouble maker, a rebel whose hand will be ‘against every man’ and every man’s hand against him as we read in Genesis 16:12

Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who turn darkness to light and light to darkness, who replace bitter with sweet and sweet with bitter. 21 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight.…

 

[sooda]

The men of Sodom were destroyed because they were too welcoming to strangers, and wanted to have sex with them. Not a good idea to try and have sex with a messenger of God. But then again, the liberals try and view up as down and down as up, and good as evil, and evil as good. (Isaiah 5:20). The mosaic law prohibits homosexuality (Leviticus 18:22), which apparently carries over into trying to have sex with the messengers of God.

As for locust, the Saudi's are having trouble with them in Mecca and Egypt has problems also. They are not too happy about it. As Saudi's are descendants of Ishmael, what can they expect. Locust have a tendency to eat the animal fodder and crops, leaving man and beast without food. They are generally considered a plague, except in the case of the liberals, who apparently live in the concrete cities.

United Nations Warns That Billions Of Locusts Now Gathering On Both Sides Of The Red Sea Preparing To Swarm Egypt And Saudi Arabia • Now The End Begins...
Right now, billions of locusts are descending on Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Kinda funny, though, how these swarms almost always skip right over Israel, isn’t it? ... That will happen during the time of Jacob’s trouble. In the meantime, enjoy this Tribulation preview of locusts in the Middle East.

The Recent Plague Of Locusts At Mecca In Saudi Arabia Is Further Proof That Allah Is Not The God Of The Bible • Now The End Beginslocusts-mecca-saudi-arabia...
The Recent Plague Of Locusts At Mecca In Saudi Arabia Is Further Proof That Allah Is Not The God Of The Bible. ... The Bible tells us that Ishmael is a born trouble maker, a rebel whose hand will be ‘against every man’ and every man’s hand against him as we read in Genesis 16:12

Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who turn darkness to light and light to darkness, who replace bitter with sweet and sweet with bitter. 21 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight.…

I have seen the locusts come many times. They blot out the sun.. millions and millions of them..

The people roast them in a wok like pan and they gather them up in feed sacks for the livestock and chickens.

Its not a sign of the end times..

A plague of locusts that has been creeping across the Middle East is set to hit Israel just in time for the Passover holiday, commemorating the original pre-Exodus plague in Egypt. The locusts began swarming on the Red Sea coast of Eritrea and Sudan in December.

March 1, 2019

Locusts May Arrive in Israel in Time to be Served for Passover Seder