Moses and the Jews were the Hyksos?

[religionscholar2020]

The is an accountability from Egyptian sources of the Hyksos that matches the same description for Jews at that time. Shepard nomadic tribe from Asia, more specifically Syria, that got their way into Egypt at first with gifts, then by force and had illegitimate kings ruling over part of Egypt. Hyksos worshiped storm god Ba'al, also called Lord (Curious that in present time God is more often call The Lord). Leaded by Osarseph who was later revealed to be Moses, preaching local people to abandon Egyptian gods and eat sacred animals.

I know Manetho is considered to be an early source of antisemitism, but really?
Saying such things is stupid.
We know how nowadays Israel is doing kind of the same thing in Syria, trying to return to "their homeland".
And they are not sparing children.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

^ silly

 

[Estro Felino]

No...the Hyksos are Amorites, who are present in the Bible too, and are considered ancient inhabitants of Canaan.

 

[Harel13]

Welcome to the site.

Curious that in present time God is more often call The Lord

This may interest you:

The Divine Name ADNY in the Hebrew Bible: Surprising Findings

ADNY occurs 435 times in the Hebrew Bible. Only from the books of Kings, Isaiah and Amos on, it is used as an objective name of God, while in the Pentateuch and in the books of Joshua, Judges and Samuel it is found only in citations of direct speech,

www.academia.edu

 

[caledor dragonmaster]

这是来自埃及喜克索斯人的说法，与当时对犹太人的描述相符。来自亚洲（更具体地说是叙利亚）的谢泼德游牧部落，首先通过礼物进入埃及，然后通过武力进入埃及，并拥有非法国王统治埃及的部分地区。希克索斯崇拜风暴神巴力，也称为主（奇怪的是，现在上帝更多地被称为主）。由后来被揭露为摩西的奥萨尔瑟夫领导，鼓吹当地人放弃埃及诸神并吃神圣的动物。

我知道曼内托被认为是反犹太主义的早期根源，但真的吗？
说这样的话是愚蠢的。
我们知道现在以色列正在叙利亚做同样的事情，试图返回“他们的家园”。
他们也不放过孩子。

Wrong, the Hyksos ruled over two dynasties in Egypt and were driven out of Egypt completely by the Egyptian Pharaoh, although the Pharaoh did not conquer the Hyksos capital, on the contrary, because he could not conquer it completely, even the Pharaoh himself was hopeless. Finally, Pharaoh negotiated with the Hyksos, and the Hyksos nobles and people were completely expelled from Egypt, and the capital was razed to the ground when Pharaoh took over. This is one of the sources of the Exodus, and Moses lived much later than this

 

[caledor dragonmaster]

The is an accountability from Egyptian sources of the Hyksos that matches the same description for Jews at that time. Shepard nomadic tribe from Asia, more specifically Syria, that got their way into Egypt at first with gifts, then by force and had illegitimate kings ruling over part of Egypt. Hyksos worshiped storm god Ba'al, also called Lord (Curious that in present time God is more often call The Lord). Leaded by Osarseph who was later revealed to be Moses, preaching local people to abandon Egyptian gods and eat sacred animals.

I know Manetho is considered to be an early source of antisemitism, but really?
Saying such things is stupid.
We know how nowadays Israel is doing kind of the same thing in Syria, trying to return to "their homeland".
And they are not sparing children.

In fact, the Hyksos worshiped the god of Baal, Baal Haddad, who in Egypt was considered the god of Seth, the god of storms, the god of the Gentiles

 

[caledor dragonmaster]

There was a slave revolt in Egypt itself that led to the invasion of Canaan

 

[caledor dragonmaster]

Exodus is essentially a long-term memory event. For the Canaanites, their journeys to and expulsion from Egypt have occurred numerous times throughout history

 

[caledor dragonmaster]

Yes, it's quite clear in the Jewish scriptures that Moses led the crowd to eat their incarnations of God, the animals, in front of the Egyptians. This led to religious strife throughout Egypt and the destruction of the old faith, which was a devastating blow to the worship of gods and religion in Egypt

 

[caledor dragonmaster]

In essence, Moses' Exodus from Egypt was essentially an act of total political, religious, and cultural subversion that ultimately failed

The is an accountability from Egyptian sources of the Hyksos that matches the same description for Jews at that time. Shepard nomadic tribe from Asia, more specifically Syria, that got their way into Egypt at first with gifts, then by force and had illegitimate kings ruling over part of Egypt. Hyksos worshiped storm god Ba'al, also called Lord (Curious that in present time God is more often call The Lord). Leaded by Osarseph who was later revealed to be Moses, preaching local people to abandon Egyptian gods and eat sacred animals.

I know Manetho is considered to be an early source of antisemitism, but really?
Saying such things is stupid.
We know how nowadays Israel is doing kind of the same thing in Syria, trying to return to "their homeland".
And they are not sparing children.

 

[caledor dragonmaster]

An interesting fact is that in Hebrew, the name of the Egyptian Supreme God Ra is considered a synonym for evil

 

[caledor dragonmaster]

In Exodus 10:10, Pharaoh said to Moses and Aaron during an exchange they were having: רְא֕וּ כִּ֥й й רָעָ֖ה נֶ֥גֶד פְּנֵכֶֽם (re ʾ u ki ra ʿ a neged penekem), literally means "see, because before you have evil", or more idiomatic "look, you don't have a good plot." However, the Hebrew word "tetanָ hedge-ra ʿa" (" evil ") is the name of the Egyptian sun god Ra (head of the Egyptian pantheon). In this bilingual pun, Pharaoh not only rejects the Israelites' request to worship their God but what it really means is, "Ra is right in front of you."

The is an accountability from Egyptian sources of the Hyksos that matches the same description for Jews at that time. Shepard nomadic tribe from Asia, more specifically Syria, that got their way into Egypt at first with gifts, then by force and had illegitimate kings ruling over part of Egypt. Hyksos worshiped storm god Ba'al, also called Lord (Curious that in present time God is more often call The Lord). Leaded by Osarseph who was later revealed to be Moses, preaching local people to abandon Egyptian gods and eat sacred animals.

I know Manetho is considered to be an early source of antisemitism, but really?
Saying such things is stupid.
We know how nowadays Israel is doing kind of the same thing in Syria, trying to return to "their homeland".
And they are not sparing children.

 

[caledor dragonmaster]

In Exodus 10:10, Pharaoh said to Moses and Aaron during an exchange they were having: רְא֕וּ כִּ֥й й רָעָ֖ה נֶ֥גֶד פְּנֵכֶֽם (re ʾ u ki ra ʿ a neged penekem), literally means "see, because before you have evil", or more idiomatic "look, you don't have a good plot." However, the Hebrew word "tetanָ hedge-ra ʿa" (" evil ") is the name of the Egyptian sun god Ra (head of the Egyptian pantheon). In this bilingual pun, Pharaoh not only rejects the Israelites' request to worship their God but what it really means is, "Pull is right in front of you."

Locusts covers עֵ֣ן כָּל־הָאָרֶץ֮ ʿen kol ha-ʾareṣ”， "eyes" of the whole earth, rare idioms in Hebrew, with Egyptian will be abnormal. The Hebrew phrase is probably an adaptation of the Egyptian expression ir.t rʿ, which literally means "the eye of the Ra," and was used to refer to the sun and, by extension, Egypt.

 

[caledor dragonmaster]

No...the Hyksos are Amorites, who are present in the Bible too, and are considered ancient inhabitants of Canaan.

The name Hyksos means shepherds, and they were originally a branch of the ancient Canaanites

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

The name Hyksos means shepherds, ...

... or not.

From Wikipedia: Hyksos#Name>Etymology:

The first century AD Jewish historian Josephus gives the name as meaning "shepherd kings" or "captive shepherds" in his Contra Apion (Against Apion), where he describes the Hyksos as Jews as they appeared in the Hellenistic Egyptian historian Manetho. ...​

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... Josephus's rendition may arise from a later Egyptian pronunciation of ḥḳꜣ-ḫꜣswt as ḥḳꜣ-šꜣsw, which was then understood to mean "lord of shepherds." It is unclear if this translation was found in Manetho; an Armenian translation of an epitome of Manetho given by the late antique historian Eusebius gives the correct translation of "foreign kings". [emphasis added - JS]​

It's always a good idea to know something about a topic before deigning to teach that topic to others.

 

[River Sea]

There was a slave revolt in Egypt itself that led to the invasion of Canaan

@Bharat Jhunjhunwala
Am I understanding correctly, no invasion of Canaan?

There's no way there's an invasion of Canaan when Canaan is located in Ghuram, India.

So how was the invasion of Canaan then?

 

[RabbiO]

@River Sea -

You’ve never explained why you keep turning to Bharat Jhunjhunwala as an answer to your difficulties, other than the fact that he wrote a book, that you‘ve read, which sets forth a premise that is rejected by serious scholars.

 

[Debater Slayer]

There's no way there's an invasion of Canaan when Canaan is located in Ghuram, India.

This is at odds with scholarly views on Canaan, and present-day populations with the most Canaanite DNA are Middle Eastern, not Indian.

 

[jhonsteve111]

The is an accountability from Egyptian sources of the Hyksos that matches the same description for Jews at that time. Shepard nomadic tribe from Asia, more specifically Syria, that got their way into Egypt at first with gifts, then by force and had illegitimate kings ruling over part of Egypt. Hyksos worshiped storm god Ba'al, also called Lord (Curious that in present time God is more often call The Lord). Leaded by Osarseph who was later revealed to be Moses, preaching local people to abandon Egyptian gods and eat sacred animals.

I know Manetho is considered to be an early source of antisemitism, but really?
Saying such things is stupid.
We know how nowadays Israel is doing kind of the same thing in Syria, trying to return to "their homeland".
And they are not sparing children.

Yes, Manetho’s writings are often viewed as an early source of antisemitism, but his accounts are mostly historical interpretations mixed with myths. Many historians today question their accuracy. It’s important to approach these ancient sources with care and not draw unfair conclusions.

 

[River Sea]

In Exodus 10:10, Pharaoh said to Moses and Aaron during an exchange they were having: רְא֕וּ כִּ֥й й רָעָ֖ה נֶ֥גֶד פְּנֵכֶֽם (re ʾ u ki ra ʿ a neged penekem), literally means "see, because before you have evil", or more idiomatic "look, you don't have a good plot." However, the Hebrew word "tetanָ hedge-ra ʿa" (" evil ") is the name of the Egyptian sun god Ra (head of the Egyptian pantheon). In this bilingual pun, Pharaoh not only rejects the Israelites' request to worship their God but what it really means is, "Ra is right in front of you."

@caledor dragonmaster
What does that mean Ra is right in front of you?

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In ancient Egyptian mythology, the Eye of Ra is often depicted as a sun disk or right wedjat-eye, while the Eye of Horus is depicted as the left wedjat-eye. The Eye of Ra is associated with the sun god Ra, while the Eye of Horus is associated with the god Horus.

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