Moses burial place

[Ivan-Michael]

Quite a few anomalies were written into the script regarding Moses, his actions and his 'last moments' on stage.
Deuteronomy 34.
There are a number of questions to do with the wording of the scene but here I am concerned with YHVH choice of putting Moses to his final rest in a Valley (?) opposite the 'House' of 'Baal Peor'.
Moses was punished. He would not enter the 'Promised Land' because he hit the rock, not once but twice, when YHVH told him to speak to the rock to get the water out.
Now it seems he is punished for a second time, he is burried opposite the House of Baal peor, the staunch enemy of YHVH and Israel.
The daughters of Moab seduced the 'Israelites' to the worship of Baal Peor through sex.
Why did YHVH bury him there?
Why is his burial place not known 'until today'?
In the Talmud according to Rashi (the most acceptable interpreter) they claimed that the place was full of 'offerings' to Baal peor, the kind of 'offering' we would associate with the 'Bathroom' in the U.S. and a toilet in the rest of the world.
Really?
Baal Peor is the Lord of the Opening, some call it baal Zebub, lord of the Flies.
Why bury him there, perhaps so no one will go looking for his grave?
Poor Moses.
The Jews consider burial on Mount of Olives a great honour.
It is opposite the Temple Mount (Moriah).
Like in the theatre, opposite the main stage, waiting for the messiah to raise them from the dead, cross the valley of Kidron and enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
What about Moses?

 

[Ingledsva]

Quite a few anomalies were written into the script regarding Moses, his actions and his 'last moments' on stage.
Deuteronomy 34.
There are a number of questions to do with the wording of the scene but here I am concerned with YHVH choice of putting Moses to his final rest in a Valley (?) opposite the 'House' of 'Baal Peor'.
Moses was punished. He would not enter the 'Promised Land' because he hit the rock, not once but twice, when YHVH told him to speak to the rock to get the water out.
Now it seems he is punished for a second time, he is burried opposite the House of Baal peor, the staunch enemy of YHVH and Israel.
The daughters of Moab seduced the 'Israelites' to the worship of Baal Peor through sex.
Why did YHVH bury him there?
Why is his burial place not known 'until today'?
In the Talmud according to Rashi (the most acceptable interpreter) they claimed that the place was full of 'offerings' to Baal peor, the kind of 'offering' we would associate with the 'Bathroom' in the U.S. and a toilet in the rest of the world.
Really?
Baal Peor is the Lord of the Opening, some call it baal Zebub, lord of the Flies.
Why bury him there, perhaps so no one will go looking for his grave?
Poor Moses.
The Jews consider burial on Mount of Olives a great honour.
It is opposite the Temple Mount (Moriah).
Like in the theatre, opposite the main stage, waiting for the messiah to raise them from the dead, cross the valley of Kidron and enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
What about Moses?

Who knows? Perhaps just because it was the last place they set up camp before crossing over. Or perhaps because he was a Sorcerer.

 

[yahdough]

Elijah and Moses both appeared with Jesus in the transfiguration. (Matthew 17, 1-4)

We know that Elijah was taken up to heaven in some sort of a whirlwind.and his body did not remain to decay on earth. We also know that the devil disputed with the archangel Michael over the body of Moses.

Jude:1:9: Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

With this information it seems more than likely that Moses died fully in Christ and his body did not decay but was translated straight to heaven.

 

[Ivan-Michael]

Elijah and Moses both appeared with Jesus in the transfiguration. (Matthew 17, 1-4)

We know that Elijah was taken up to heaven in some sort of a whirlwind.and his body did not remain to decay on earth. We also know that the devil disputed with the archangel Michael over the body of Moses.

Jude:1:9: Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

With this information it seems more than likely that Moses died fully in Christ and his body did not decay but was translated straight to heaven.

Mister, You seem to 'Know' too much,
What kind of Gobeldy Gook are you on?
Too much fairy tale, not enough facts.
The 'Kingdom of Heaven' is not such a mysterious ethreal place, it's right here and now, find it in the script, learn the words.

 

[Ivan-Michael]

Who knows? Perhaps just because it was the last place they set up camp before crossing over. Or perhaps because he was a Sorcerer.

Pehaps we should start reading the script in a more comprehensive way and 'see' what the script is saying and how different or similar are Baal Peor and YHVH.
PS. Moses was not a 'sorcere', read, he was YHVH 'worker', slave, indentured servant for life, the other one was the David.
If you read my other posts you'd see that the meaning of the name Moses is Salvage, like Jesus, Yeshua, and the other character, Yehoshuah.
Learn the meaning of the words used and you too could see the plot.
As for the camp, the Israelites were opposite Jericho, across the Jordan, mount Nevo is to the south east of Jericho, it is called the mountain of the Lord, Nevo or Nebo, Ask yourself who is the Lord? God or YHVH (Baal, Adonai)? The Sun?
Mount Nevo is in the south east direction from Jericho probably the rising sun on the 25th of December (my estimate).
Almost exactly opposit mount Moriah

 

[allright]

Mister, You seem to 'Know' too much,
What kind of Gobeldy Gook are you on?
Too much fairy tale, not enough facts.
The 'Kingdom of Heaven' is not such a mysterious ethreal place, it's right here and now, find it in the script, learn the words.

A well thought out and unemotional response

 

[Ivan-Michael]

A well thought out and unemotional response

Sorry, I'm human too.
It was a bit harsh, the Elija whirlwind going to the sky, and Moses meeting Jesus in the Heaven triggered my reaction.
The 'We know' this or that also didn't help because I don't think ' We Know' much.
We are told and we believe most of the time.
Again, I apologise for coming out side ways.

 

[Ivan-Michael]

A link to an article I saw yesterday.
The video is long and full of question marks.
The theories made by the 'experts' are endless and over all, historically, many points simply don't add up.
Too good, slick, and Hollywoody production.
Seizer’s Messiah: Was Jesus Christ ‘Invented’ By Rome? « Runnymede Institute

 

[Levite]

Mister, You seem to 'Know' too much,
What kind of Gobeldy Gook are you on?

"Hello, Pot? Yes, Kettle here. I'd like to let you know that you're black."

 

[Ivan-Michael]

"Hello, Pot? Yes, Kettle here. I'd like to let you know that you're black."

Hello kettle, How you doing?

 

[Ingledsva]

Pehaps we should start reading the script in a more comprehensive way and 'see' what the script is saying and how different or similar are Baal Peor and YHVH.
PS. Moses was not a 'sorcere', read, he was YHVH 'worker', slave, indentured servant for life, the other one was the David.
If you read my other posts you'd see that the meaning of the name Moses is Salvage, like Jesus, Yeshua, and the other character, Yehoshuah.
Learn the meaning of the words used and you too could see the plot.
As for the camp, the Israelites were opposite Jericho, across the Jordan, mount Nevo is to the south east of Jericho, it is called the mountain of the Lord, Nevo or Nebo, Ask yourself who is the Lord? God or YHVH (Baal, Adonai)? The Sun?
Mount Nevo is in the south east direction from Jericho probably the rising sun on the 25th of December (my estimate).
Almost exactly opposit mount Moriah

Really? He had power, packed a magic wand, and spoke incantations (dabar) to make magic happen.

A lot of people in the Bible are Sorcerers or Seers, and use magic. Such as Joseph.

 

[Ivan-Michael]

Really? He had power, packed a magic wand, and spoke incantations (dabar) to make magic happen.

A lot of people in the Bible are Sorcerers or Seers, and use magic. Such as Joseph.

In the same vein would you consider mesmerising public speakers of our time to be sorcerers?
Moses is a character in a story, even in the story he was not attributed the title sorcerer, Bil-am was a sorcerer, Moses was EVED of YHVH, a worker of YHVH.
Why was he burried opposite the house of Baal Peor?

 

[outhouse]

Mister, You seem to 'Know' too much,
What kind of Gobeldy Gook are you on?
Too much fairy tale, not enough facts.
The 'Kingdom of Heaven' is not such a mysterious ethreal place, it's right here and now, find it in the script, learn the words.

Isnt this quite a hostile reply?

Right or wrong, are you a authority on these topics to talk down to someone in such a way?

 

[outhouse]

There are a number of questions to do with the wording of the scene but here I am concerned with YHVH choice of putting Moses to his final rest in a Valley (?) opposite the 'House' of 'Baal Peor'.

Moses has zero historicity according to historians and archeologist, and scholars claim he is a literary creation. Archeologist wont even look for Moses as to them it is a fruitless pursuit.

Moses - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

most archaeologists have abandoned the archaeological investigation of Moses and the Exodus as "a fruitless pursuit".http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus#cite_note-FOOTNOTEDever200199-4

While the general narrative of the Exodus and the conquest of the Promised Land may be remotely rooted in historical events, the figure of Moses as a leader of the Israelites in these events cannot be substantiated

Just so you know, Israelites factually evolved from displaced Canaanites, and no evidence has ever been found of Israelites existing in egypt as a enslaved race.

William Dever agrees with the Canaanite origin of the Israelites but allows for the possibility of some immigrants from Egypt among the early hilltop settlers, leaving open the possibility of a Moses-like figure in Transjordan ca 1250-1200.[89]

Israel Finkelstein points to the appearance of settlements in the central hill country around 1200 as the earliest of the known settlements of the Israelites.[

Moses was punished.

Said to have been punished.

Now it seems he is punished for a second time, he is burried opposite the House of Baal peor, the staunch enemy of YHVH and Israel.

You may want to bone up, on your history.

Baal was worshipped by Isrealites for over 600 years as one of there primary deities, from their beginning around 1200 BC all tha way to the implemintation of monotheism after 622 BC around the time of second Isaiah.

He was Yahwehs brother at one point, not a enemy of Israel.

Baal was still worshipped after Israelites switched to monotheism after king Josiah a strict Yahwist forced monotheism on the nation. Despite him forcing monotheism on the people, many worshipped there deities for hundreds of year afterwards, all slowly fading away into history roughly 200-400 BC.

The daughters of Moab seduced the 'Israelites' to the worship of Baal Peor through sex.

No.

Why did YHVH bury him there?

It is symbolism, and metaphor and allegory.

To date you will have as much luck finding him as Abraham.

Think about it.

Why would the two most famous people in the bible that had the utmost value to Judaism and its people, be no where to be found.

Why is his burial place not known 'until today'?

Would he have to exist first, to be buried?

The Exodus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The consensus among biblical scholars today is that there was never any exodus of the proportions described in the Bible,[15] and that the story is best seen as theology, a story illustrating how the god of Israel acted to save and strengthen his chosen people, and not as history

Baal Peor is the Lord of the Opening, some call it baal Zebub, lord of the Flies.
Why bury him there, perhaps so no one will go looking for his grave?

Im hoping your here to learn. the above is incorrect.

History of ancient Israel and Judah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The religion of the Israelites of Iron Age I, like the Canaanite faith from which it evolved[72] and many other Ancient Near Eastern religions, was based on the cult of the ancestors and the worship of family gods (the "gods of the fathers").[73] The major deities were not numerous – El, Asherah, and Yahweh, with Baal as a fourth god, and perhaps Shamash (the sun) in the early period

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Moses has zero historicity according to historians and archeologist, ...

You overreach ... and just when I thoufgh you were improving.

 

[outhouse]

You overreach ... and just when I thoufgh you were improving.

I understand there may be a historical core to the legend. I wont deny that.


Exactly what core that is is hotly contested, no doubt.



Do you think the biblical legend matches the historical possibilities.?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Moses has zero historicity according to historians and archeologist, and ...

You overreach ... and just when I thought you were improving.

I understand there may be a historical core to the legend. I wont deny that.

If you "understand there may be a historical core to the legend" which you claim with certainty "has zero historicity according to historians and archaeologist," then one might reasonably question the degree to which you understand what you understand.

 

[outhouse]

If you "understand there may be a historical core to the legend" which you claim with certainty "has zero historicity according to historians and archaeologist," then one might reasonably question the degree to which you understand what you understand.

Yes I should have clarified my statement.

 

[Ingledsva]

Really? He had power, packed a magic wand, and spoke incantations (dabar) to make magic happen.

A lot of people in the Bible are Sorcerers or Seers, and use magic. Such as Joseph.

In the same vein would you consider mesmerising public speakers of our time to be sorcerers?
Moses is a character in a story, even in the story he was not attributed the title sorcerer, Bil-am was a sorcerer, Moses was EVED of YHVH, a worker of YHVH.
Why was he burried opposite the house of Baal Peor?

Lets see - he has visions, works magic with magic wands and (dabar) incantations, turns his magic wand into snakes, uses it to bring forth water from the rocks, etc, but he isn't a sorcerer in this text?

He, Aaron, and Miriam where.

Moses and Aaron had a MAGIC WAND. It turned into a snake in Exodus: 4:3, and in 7: 8-13 they have a magic match with Pharaohs magicians, whom do the same spell producing snakes, but Aaron’s magic was stronger.

Numbers 20: 8 - Take the DIVINING ROD and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and speak POWER WORDS (dabar 1696 &1697) unto the rocks before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water,…

Jacob used magic wands for fertility magic. Genesis 30:37-41

Samuel is a Seer.1 Sam 9:19

Joseph tells us he is a Sorcerer, and he used a scrying bowl.


Gen 44:5 Is not this it in which my lord drinketh, and whereby indeed he divineth? ye have done evil in so doing.

The word “drinketh” is shathah which sends us to 8248 shaqah which means a potion. So he isn’t drinking – he is mixing potions in it and hissing incantations.

Gen 44:15 Said Joseph; Why this action which thou took? Did you not know I (nachash) Hiss/work Incantations? A Sorcerer of renown I am known as!

(1Sa 9:9 (Beforetime in Israel, when a man went to enquire of God, thus he spake, Come, and let us go to the seer: for he that is now called a Prophet was beforetime called a Seer.)

 

[Ivan-Michael]

You overreach ... and just when I thoufgh you were improving.

Like.