Mosque at Ground Zero

[Smoke]

is the free exercise of religion the ability to build any building wherever you want? here, i want to throw a church in some guys house, lets tear it down and build a church. not so much no, that is not a right.

Sorry, I didn't realize that 45 Park Place was your house. You have, of course, every right to prevent them from putting their community center in your house. My position on this would have been entirely different if I had realized it was your house; I can't understand why you didn't call our attention to that fact earlier.

 

[croak]

Isn't puting a muslim mosque next to ground zero kinda like putting a mc donalds next to a fat camp

That... makes no sense. Welcome to RF. You might just fit in.

 

[astarath]

I think the polls questioning America as a whole are a misrepresentation of those affected. Ask the polls to the families of the people who died in the attacks how they feel about the mosque being built.

 

[jonman122]

Sorry, I didn't realize that 45 Park Place was your house. You have, of course, every right to prevent them from putting their community center in your house. My position on this would have been entirely different if I had realized it was your house; I can't understand why you didn't call our attention to that fact earlier.

the point is you cant put any building wherever you please just because you're religious, in case you couldnt comprehend that.

 

[Rakhel]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

Just to **** a few people off, technically it says Congress.

Now Congress is not making any ruling prohibiting Islam, nor are they prohibiting the free exercise of Islam(if it were that man praying at the South Ferry would have been arrested), Congress has not made any laws saying that people can't object to the building of buildings and does allow those who do object to assemble, just as much as they allow those that want it.

I don't see a problem

 

[Mercy Not Sacrifice]

According to some high ranking Muslim guy (maybe an Imam, I really don't remember his title), women who dress provocatively cause earth quakes.

Busted, courtesy of the Boobquake!

 

[Mercy Not Sacrifice]

Just to **** a few people off, technically it says Congress.

Now Congress is not making any ruling prohibiting Islam, nor are they prohibiting the free exercise of Islam(if it were that man praying at the South Ferry would have been arrested), Congress has not made any laws saying that people can't object to the building of buildings and does allow those who do object to assemble, just as much as they allow those that want it.

I don't see a problem

See the Fourteenth Amendment. The Ninth might apply as well.

 

[Rakhel]

This one that applies to state law?

1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Or this one that talks about Congress not overlapping the laws to take away more rights than necessary.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

 

[Alceste]

the point is you cant put any building wherever you please just because you're religious, in case you couldnt comprehend that.

That's right! You can put any building wherever you please just because you've got title to the property and your proposal satisfies building codes and zoning regulations!

In case you couldn't comprehend that.

 

[Kathryn]

Good gravy, I'm tired of thinking about Muslims. Just about the time I decide I don't give a rat's *** about the Islamic center/mosque near Ground Zero, so I can clear some Muslims out of my head, I turn on the news and there are those two yahoos getting hauled off the plane in Amsterdam for taping cell phones to Pepto Bismol bottles.

SHEEZE!

 

[beenie]

People also have the right to happiness and peace of mind as well.... If building a mosque there makes more people than not unhappy. Than no it shouldn't be built there and instead somewhere else.

that's a ridiculous argument.

This place in any other location except that one would have been fine.... It was chosen for a reason and it wasn't because a mosque down the street is full. It was clearly chosen to stir the pot. I can't back this up with solid proof no, but when I look at the situation as an observer that's what I see.

back it up with a valid source or it's just YOU stirring up the pot.

Just for every ones information.... The first does not give you the right to build churches and mosques. It only provides you the freedom to believe in what you want. It does not guarantee the right to build 100 million dollar community centers complete with places of worship next to places your fellow Muslims took down the biggest buildings in the world at the time.

so what?

Islam directly contradicts everything that makes being free so great. Why the hell would anyone want another mosque? Well, I guess if your magic carpet or camel broke down and you needed to pray it's convenient.

congrats; you've lost all credibility again. you're 2 for 2.

That's right! You can put any building wherever you please just because you've got title to the property and your proposal satisfies building codes and zoning regulations!

In case you couldn't comprehend that.

are jonman and Richard Hayman the same person? i'm beginning to wonder...

Good gravy, I'm tired of thinking about Muslims. Just about the time I decide I don't give a rat's *** about the Islamic center/mosque near Ground Zero, so I can clear some Muslims out of my head, I turn on the news and there are those two yahoos getting hauled off the plane in Amsterdam for taping cell phones to Pepto Bismol bottles.

SHEEZE!

those people need to be shot. idiots.

 

[Zadok]

I have a question:

Will known terrorist and members of terrorist organizations be unrestricted or restricted in their worship at the mosque and use of the mosque?

Until this question is honestly answered by those that support the mosque – I would suggest the mosque be built somewhere else. I do believe the law supports the mosque being built – but for moral reasons it may be best suited elsewhere.

Zadok

 

[jarofthoughts]

I have a question:


Until this question is honestly answered by those that support the mosque – I would suggest the mosque be built somewhere else. I do believe the law supports the mosque being built – but for moral reasons it may be best suited elsewhere.

Zadok

Which moral reasons would that be?

 

[beenie]

Zadok

is there a questionnaire at the front door? how on earth can you regulate who is an extremist...and a better question, where should a mosque for these extremists be located? how do we define who is an extremist? interview them? I'm not following your logic, probably because there is none.

 

[YmirGF]

Zadok

is there a questionnaire at the front door? how on earth can you regulate who is an extremist...and a better question, where should a mosque for these extremists be located? how do we define who is an extremist? interview them? I'm not following your logic, probably because there is none.

You mean the rumors of the secret handshake are untrue?

 

[Alceste]

Zadok

is there a questionnaire at the front door? how on earth can you regulate who is an extremist...and a better question, where should a mosque for these extremists be located? how do we define who is an extremist? interview them? I'm not following your logic, probably because there is none.

What would an extremist be doing in a sufi interfaith community centre anyway? Probably just as likely to be there to blow the place up as recruit terrorists.

 

[TEXASBULL]

Why do they want to build this place 2 blocks away from Ground Zero? Is it just because " they can"?

Is there a reason why they cannot choose a less offensive location?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Busted, courtesy of the Boobquake!

Actually there was an earthquake during boobquake.
Philosophically Poorly Timed Earthquake Coincides with “Boobquake” | VF Daily | Vanity Fair

Until this question is honestly answered by those that support the mosque – I would suggest the mosque be built somewhere else. I do believe the law supports the mosque being built – but for moral reasons it may be best suited elsewhere.

If they were to use it, it would most likely be to study the building to plan an attack. The community center is of a different denomination, the groups have completely different opinions on America and the Jihad, and since the extremist groups are killing eachother in the Middle East, why should it be assumed that they will shake the hands of the people who are in charge of this project? Unless that is to blow themselves up and kill as many of the people who don't follow true Islam.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Is there a reason why they cannot choose a less offensive location?

Yes - they're not concerned with not offending people.

 

[TEXASBULL]

Yes - they're not concerned with not offending people.

That's the problem