Mosque at Ground Zero

[Richard Hayman]

You know what they should build there? a Jail...

That's right, they need to build a huge friggin jail. This way all the thieves on Wall Street can serve close to home.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

This argument actually came right from a muslim Imam.

According to some high ranking Muslim guy (maybe an Imam, I really don't remember his title), women who dress provocatively cause earth quakes.

 

[Smoke]

According to some high ranking Muslim guy (maybe an Imam, I really don't remember his title), women who dress provocatively cause earth quakes.

It was Hojjatoleslam Kazem Seddiqi, the government's official Friday Prayer Leader for Teheran. In response, the Iranian Minister of Welfare and Social Security said, "We cannot invent a system that prevents earthquakes, but God has created this system and that is to avoid sins, to pray, to seek forgiveness, pay alms and self-sacrifice."

So now you know what causes earthquakes, and how to prevent them.

 

[EtuMalku]

Check this Jihad loving dude out!:help:
JIHAD - Hasan al-Banna

A brief lesson: The Muslim terrorist hate America. They could care less if it's a full blown, golden plated, diamond studded mosque. It's still American, it's still evil, and if it's plausible that they wouldn't care if it gets destroyed in another attack. Hell, they probably hate the Muslim group wanting to put it up because they do not follow the same denomination, and don't share the same enthusiasm for their own Jihad.

 

[jonman122]

They have every right to build a mosque on ground zero (or community center for muslim worship, if thats what they're calling it these days) but do they really need a mosque just a few blocks away from another one? there is another mosque right near that area already. is there really any good reason, or any reason at all, for them to build this mosque there?

 

[beenie]

They have every right to build a mosque on ground zero (or community center for muslim worship, if thats what they're calling it these days) but do they really need a mosque just a few blocks away from another one? there is another mosque right near that area already. is there really any good reason, or any reason at all, for them to build this mosque there?

have you counted the number of churches within blocks of each other all over the country? what difference does it make if there is a mosque a few blocks away? maybe they'll combine, maybe the other mosque is too full...your POINT?

mosques are not community centers. this IS a community center with a provided area for worship. here's the theory. people go to the community center to swim, take a class, eat...and here it comes...are you ready? PRAY. so, they...wait for it...here it comes...provide a clean, quiet area for them to PRAY and return to their activities. wow, sounds scary to me!

oh, and let's not forget that pesky First Amendment Freedom of Religion that says they don't need your approval.

 

[Meow Mix]

have you counted the number of churches within blocks of each other all over the country? what difference does it make if there is a mosque a few blocks away? maybe they'll combine, maybe the other mosque is too full...your POINT?

mosques are not community centers. this IS a community center with a provided area for worship. here's the theory. people go to the community center to swim, take a class, eat...and here it comes...are you ready? PRAY. so, they...wait for it...here it comes...provide a clean, quiet area for them to PRAY and return to their activities. wow, sounds scary to me!

oh, and let's not forget that pesky First Amendment Freedom of Religion that says they don't need your approval.

Here's an idea: equal opportunity mosque/church/synogogue/whatever discrimination!

Let's TAX them for the land they use!

 

[Cypress]

Actually.... they were doing quite well until the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.

Actually according to what I read they were doing not well at all, reason being lack of reform of administrative & social structures in the Ottoman Empire.

 

[Cypress]

The west creates those puppet regimes. Forgot Saddam Hussein already? He was placed as the ruler of Iraq by the CIA and removed by the west once he outlived his usefulness. The entire middle east was carved up by western bureaucrats.

I don't think the rulers of Saudi Arabis, Dubai and all the other rich-from-oil-states are puppets of the West.

 

[croak]

They have every right to build a mosque on ground zero (or community center for muslim worship, if thats what they're calling it these days) but do they really need a mosque just a few blocks away from another one? there is another mosque right near that area already. is there really any good reason, or any reason at all, for them to build this mosque there?

Have you read all the pages of this thread? For kicks, I'm going to restate what tons of people have said already.

• It is not on 'Ground Zero' (omgnowai). The title of this thread is a lie.
• It will be a community centre with a room/floor/space for Muslims to worship.
• The mosques can't contain the number of worshippers coming to pray, for one.
• The area itself could really use a community centre.
• If you find property you can afford in downtown anywhere, you jump on the chance to buy or rent it.

If I missed something, or got something wrong, please let me know. I'll correct myself with an EDIT: line crediting you.

 

[Alceste]

I don't think the rulers of Saudi Arabis, Dubai and all the other rich-from-oil-states are puppets of the West.

Rather, the barons of oil and finance who run all these countries have economic common interests that outweigh their ideological differences.

 

[Richard Hayman]

have you counted the number of churches within blocks of each other all over the country? what difference does it make if there is a mosque a few blocks away? maybe they'll combine, maybe the other mosque is too full...your POINT?

mosques are not community centers. this IS a community center with a provided area for worship. here's the theory. people go to the community center to swim, take a class, eat...and here it comes...are you ready? PRAY. so, they...wait for it...here it comes...provide a clean, quiet area for them to PRAY and return to their activities. wow, sounds scary to me!

oh, and let's not forget that pesky First Amendment Freedom of Religion that says they don't need your approval.

People also have the right to happiness and peace of mind as well.... If building a mosque there makes more people than not unhappy. Than no it shouldn't be built there and instead somewhere else.

This place in any other location except that one would have been fine.... It was chosen for a reason and it wasn't because a mosque down the street is full. It was clearly chosen to stir the pot. I can't back this up with solid proof no, but when I look at the situation as an observer that's what I see.

Just for every ones information.... The first does not give you the right to build churches and mosques. It only provides you the freedom to believe in what you want. It does not guarantee the right to build 100 million dollar community centers complete with places of worship next to places your fellow Muslims took down the biggest buildings in the world at the time.

Islam directly contradicts everything that makes being free so great. Why the hell would anyone want another mosque? Well, I guess if your magic carpet or camel broke down and you needed to pray it's convenient.

 

[Smoke]

They have every right to build a mosque on ground zero (or community center for muslim worship, if thats what they're calling it these days) but do they really need a mosque just a few blocks away from another one? there is another mosque right near that area already. is there really any good reason, or any reason at all, for them to build this mosque there?

Yeah, because at present they don't have room for all the worshipers.

But just off the top of your head, how many churches would you say there are below Chambers Street?

 

[Smoke]

People also have the right to happiness and peace of mind as well....

No, they don't. People who find their happiness and peace of mind disturbed by freedom of religion are SOL. I don't give a damn about their happiness and peace of mind.

However, if we're going to start closing religious congregations just because people don't like them, I'll be happy to draw up a list of the ones I don't like.

 

[Richard Hayman]

No, they don't. People who find their happiness and peace of mind disturbed by freedom of religion are SOL. I don't give a damn about their happiness and peace of mind.

However, if we're going to start closing religious congregations just because people don't like them, I'll be happy to draw up a list of the ones I don't like.

Again freedom of religion is a subjective term.... No where does it say that anyone has the right to build anything they want, just because they want too.

You are only guaranteed the right to your consciousness and your beliefs, not the right to build 100 million dollar buildings.

 

[Smoke]

Just for every ones information.... The first does not give you the right to build churches and mosques. It only provides you the freedom to believe in what you want. It does not guarantee the right to build 100 million dollar community centers complete with places of worship next to places your fellow Muslims took down the biggest buildings in the world at the time.

You need to take it out and read it. It also guarantees the right to "the free exercise thereof."

 

[croak]

People also have the right to happiness and peace of mind as well.... If building a mosque there makes more people than not unhappy. Than no it shouldn't be built there and instead somewhere else.

If more people wanted Muslims to leave Manhattan than not, would that justify expelling Muslims? An extreme example, but there's no reason the majority should trump the minority.

This place in any other location except that one would have been fine.... It was chosen for a reason and it wasn't because a mosque down the street is full. It was clearly chosen to stir the pot. I can't back this up with solid proof no, but when I look at the situation as an observer that's what I see.

If you can't back it up, then why say it, and offer it as fact?

According to In Lower Manhattan, 2 Mosques Have Firm Roots:

Masjid Manhattan, on Warren Street, four blocks from ground zero, was founded in 1970. Masjid al-Farah, formerly on Mercer Street, moved to its present location on West Broadway, about 12 blocks from ground zero, in 1985. Both mosques — essentially one-room operations — routinely turn people away for lack of space.

Just for every ones information.... The first does not give you the right to build churches and mosques. It only provides you the freedom to believe in what you want. It does not guarantee the right to build 100 million dollar community centers complete with places of worship next to places your fellow Muslims took down the biggest buildings in the world at the time.

Assuming you've got all the paperwork in order and you're obeying all applicable laws, is there any reason not to build it? Christians killed millions of Native Americans; how dare anyone build a church in the United States?

Oh, and I thought there was something wrong with your claim at the end.

According to World Trade Center - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:

The World Trade Center towers held the height record only briefly: Chicago's Sears Tower, finished in May 1973, reached 1,450 feet (440 m) at the rooftop.[66]

Islam directly contradicts everything that makes being free so great. Why the hell would anyone want another mosque? Well, I guess if your magic carpet or camel broke down and you needed to pray it's convenient.

Random racism much? If you had any credibility, you've tarnished it with this statement. Bravo.

By the way, it's not racist because you're attacking Islam. It's racist because those are Arab stereotypes, most of whom are Muslim, and it is a more of an attack on a certain ethnicity. If that doesn't make sense, I'll stick with ignorant, xenophobic, discriminatory, and other fun words.

If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.~

 

[jonman122]

You need to take it out and read it. It also guarantees the right to "the free exercise thereof."

is the free exercise of religion the ability to build any building wherever you want? here, i want to throw a church in some guys house, lets tear it down and build a church. not so much no, that is not a right.

 

[croak]

is the free exercise of religion the ability to build any building wherever you want? here, i want to throw a church in some guys house, lets tear it down and build a church. not so much no, that is not a right.

.. what does that have to do with anything? You can't build anything on someone else's property without permission, church or no church. Well, technically, you can, but it's illegal and you'll either be forced to part with some green pieces of paper or get to know Bubba intimately. Or both.

 

[Verdadero]

Isn't puting a muslim mosque next to ground zero kinda like putting a mc donalds next to a fat camp