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Most here attack or defend. Are there any that just seek God.

MoonWater

Warrior Bard
Premium Member
When you get the numbers down to one, that is wisdom.

Regards
DL

To YOU that may be wisdom, but To me wisdom is not bothering with the numbers at all. As I've said before I don't deal in absolutes, and to apply a number to something would be to do just that. But that's just my personal point of view.

And again what does this have to do with the question I posed? Are you even going to try to answer it? I'll post it again here in case you forgot:

"It may be the right way for YOU, but how does that make it right for anyone else?"
 

Greatest I am

Well-Known Member
It may be right for YOU, but how does that make it right for anyone else?

I know the road I took. There are many others but I cannot lead on those. I can lead only on the one I know and otherwise just kick obstacles that I know of out of the way of those on some other road. That is why I needed or anyone needs to know your path or label or non label in your case.

Regards
DL
 

MoonWater

Warrior Bard
Premium Member
I know the road I took. There are many others but I cannot lead on those. I can lead only on the one I know and otherwise just kick obstacles that I know of out of the way of those on some other road. That is why I needed or anyone needs to know your path or label or non label in your case.

Regards
DL

I don't follow. I already told you that I construct my own path, I don't follow any set religion or philosophy. Yeah you can only lead on your own road, but I'm not walking your road or anyone else's for that matter other than my own. So you openly admit that there are other roads out there that other people can walk, why then do you seem to insist that YOUR road, the one that works for you, is right for everyone else?
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
None of us can without labels as a general guide.

Does a Jew think like a Christian? No.
How do we know? The label.

Regards
DL

Would it be possible therefore to point at someone and say: "he's Jewish; that person he's talking to is Christian" if they're not talking about religion at all?
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
If I were God I would probably know it by now. No Bruce Almighty stuff has been happening.

LOL You completely misunderstood. ^_^ I said WITHIN yourself, not AT yourself. :D

There's a theory that if you don't know what you're looking for, your brain won't register it and you won't see it.

I can tell you don't bother looking for an old man in a red robe.
 
LOL You completely misunderstood. ^_^ I said WITHIN yourself, not AT yourself. :D

There's a theory that if you don't know what you're looking for, your brain won't register it and you won't see it.

I can tell you don't bother looking for an old man in a red robe.

Funny, I usually always find what I'm not really looking for.

Wouldn't really look for the man without reason, but I would notice if I saw that.
 

BucephalusBB

ABACABB
LOL You completely misunderstood. ^_^ I said WITHIN yourself, not AT yourself. :D

There's a theory that if you don't know what you're looking for, your brain won't register it and you won't see it.

I can tell you don't bother looking for an old man in a red robe.
Can you bother telling what he does need to look for? You said yourself, if he doesn't know..
As I don't know either...:sad:
 

Greatest I am

Well-Known Member
I don't follow. I already told you that I construct my own path, I don't follow any set religion or philosophy. Yeah you can only lead on your own road, but I'm not walking your road or anyone else's for that matter other than my own. So you openly admit that there are other roads out there that other people can walk, why then do you seem to insist that YOUR road, the one that works for you, is right for everyone else?

Yours has not lead to God. Mine has.

Regards
DL
 

Greatest I am

Well-Known Member
Would it be possible therefore to point at someone and say: "he's Jewish; that person he's talking to is Christian" if they're not talking about religion at all?

If the Jew is wearing his cap and the Christian his cross, yes. If not, not likely.
If bold enough we can ask them to drop their drawers and this too would eliminate some possibilities. Smiles.

Regards
DL
 

MoonWater

Warrior Bard
Premium Member
Yours has not lead to God. Mine has.

Regards
DL

Actually it has, I just define god very differently from you. I have found a spititual guide/goddess to help me on my spiritual journey in this life. This journey has led me to discover my own spiritual guid/god(dess) potential within myself. As for God as a creative force or universal energy, I find them EVERYWHERE I look and know that they are also within every living thing and every aspect of nature, including myself. So in a way there is no need for me to look for any "god" because "god" is everywhere I look. Why would you assume that my path has not lead me to god(especially since you know so little about it and me)?
 

Greatest I am

Well-Known Member
Actually it has, I just define god very differently from you. I have found a spititual guide/goddess to help me on my spiritual journey in this life. This journey has led me to discover my own spiritual guid/god(dess) potential within myself. As for God as a creative force or universal energy, I find them EVERYWHERE I look and know that they are also within every living thing and every aspect of nature, including myself. So in a way there is no need for me to look for any "god" because "god" is everywhere I look. Why would you assume that my path has not lead me to god(especially since you know so little about it and me)?

Good for both of us then.

Tell a bit about yours.

Did your God create a hell?
Why does your God allow evil?
Some one here sees beauty in a starving child. Does your God approve of this type of thinking or was this other party wrong to see beauty there?
Perhaps my God can learn from yours.

Regards
DL
 

MoonWater

Warrior Bard
Premium Member
Good for both of us then.

Tell a bit about yours.

Since I don't know if your speaking of god in the sense of "spiritual guide"(as I define it) or as a universal creative force/being or forces/beings, I'll do the best I can to answer your questions from both perspectives based on my views of them.

Did your God create a hell?

Spiritual guide "god": Yes and no. Each individual has the power to create their own hell based on their own mindset same as the have the power to create their own heaven. "heaven" is merely having a positive/optimistic/happy state of mind while "hell" is merely having a negative/pessimistic/unhappy state of mind. Most people have a tendency to switch back and forth between the two. So the gods can place themselves in their own hell or heaven however they do not have the power to create hell as an actual place that they could send others.

Universal force: The forces that I believe in have no concept of heaven or hell either as a physical place or a mindset so no they themselves do not create a hell either for themselves or anyone else.

Why does your God allow evil?

Spiritual guide "god": It's not a matter of allowing people to harm others. The spiritual guides that I call gods can do no more than guide us, they have no more power to change the world or control our actions than we do, perhaps even less as they have no physical body and thus can only affect the world through guiding those that do and even then can only guide those that seek and accept their guidance. Even if they did have the ability it would be unlikely for them to use that ability. They had to grow and learn just as we do, but we won't grow and learn if we always have someone else around to clean up after us and protect us from our mistakes. A student will never learn how to solve a mathmatical equation if his math teacher does is always stepping in to tell him the answer.

Universal force: The forces that I believe in have no concept of good or evil, perfect or imperfect or anything like that. They are not beings or souls like us or the gods but instead are part of our makeup and the makeup of the gods. They are not even capable of holding such concepts.

Some one here sees beauty in a starving child. Does your God approve of this type of thinking or was this other party wrong to see beauty there?

The beauty comes from the child aspect of that phrase not the starving part. Runewolf, I think, was saying that he sees beauty in every child and some of those children also happen to be starving. The starving may be ugly but the children themselves are still beautiful, at least on the inside;). But anyway,

Spiritual guide "gods": Each spiritual guide "god" has it's own disticnt personality, beliefs, philosophies, views, perspective, etc. and thus there would be as many opinions on this as there are gods. If you want to take a census then you'll have to ask them. However the gods do not communicate through words but through emotions and feelings so their answer could be difficult to grasp.

universal forces: Again, much like with good and evil, the forces I believe in do not hold such concepts as ugly and beautiful. It's not simply that they are above them, or have no use for them, but also because they simply are not capable of holding or creating such concepts. We ourselves create al these concepts, not the forces.

Perhaps my God can learn from yours.

Regards
DL

Sure your god can learn from my gods, just as mine can learn from yours, they can learn from us, we can learn from them, etc. Everyone has something to teach someone else and everyone can learn something from anyone else. That's the whole point of life, of existence, I feel. To learn and to grow.
 

challupa

Well-Known Member
Spiritual guide "god": Yes and no. Each individual has the power to create their own hell based on their own mindset same as the have the power to create their own heaven. "heaven" is merely having a positive/optimistic/happy state of mind while "hell" is merely having a negative/pessimistic/unhappy state of mind. Most people have a tendency to switch back and forth between the two. So the gods can place themselves in their own hell or heaven however they do not have the power to create hell as an actual place that they could send others.

Universal force: The forces that I believe in have no concept of heaven or hell either as a physical place or a mindset so no they themselves do not create a hell either for themselves or anyone else.

Spiritual guide "god": It's not a matter of allowing people to harm others. The spiritual guides that I call gods can do no more than guide us, they have no more power to change the world or control our actions than we do, perhaps even less as they have no physical body and thus can only affect the world through guiding those that do and even then can only guide those that seek and accept their guidance. Even if they did have the ability it would be unlikely for them to use that ability. They had to grow and learn just as we do, but we won't grow and learn if we always have someone else around to clean up after us and protect us from our mistakes. A student will never learn how to solve a mathmatical equation if his math teacher does is always stepping in to tell him the answer.

Universal force: The forces that I believe in have no concept of good or evil, perfect or imperfect or anything like that. They are not beings or souls like us or the gods but instead are part of our makeup and the makeup of the gods. They are not even capable of holding such concepts.

The beauty comes from the child aspect of that phrase not the starving part. Runewolf, I think, was saying that he sees beauty in every child and some of those children also happen to be starving. The starving may be ugly but the children themselves are still beautiful, at least on the inside;). But anyway,

Spiritual guide "gods": Each spiritual guide "god" has it's own disticnt personality, beliefs, philosophies, views, perspective, etc. and thus there would be as many opinions on this as there are gods. If you want to take a census then you'll have to ask them. However the gods do not communicate through words but through emotions and feelings so their answer could be difficult to grasp.

universal forces: Again, much like with good and evil, the forces I believe in do not hold such concepts as ugly and beautiful. It's not simply that they are above them, or have no use for them, but also because they simply are not capable of holding or creating such concepts. We ourselves create al these concepts, not the forces.

Sure your god can learn from my gods, just as mine can learn from yours, they can learn from us, we can learn from them, etc. Everyone has something to teach someone else and everyone can learn something from anyone else. That's the whole point of life, of existence, I feel. To learn and to grow.
Just wanted to say I like your answers MW
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Funny, I usually always find what I'm not really looking for.

But have you ever searched high and low for your favorite pen that you lost, and are just about to throw the biggest fit ever, only to discover that it was in your hand all along? (maybe not a pen, but anything?)

Wouldn't really look for the man without reason, but I would notice if I saw that.

Very few denominations of monotheism (monotheism in general, not just the various Abrahamic faiths) actually view the Supreme Being (God) as a man. God is a... well, a god. And gods are spirits: shapeless, formless, genderless...
 
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