Most here attack or defend. Are there any that just seek God.

[Riverwolf]

Can you bother telling what he does need to look for? You said yourself, if he doesn't know..
As I don't know either...:sad:

To tell you the truth... neither really do I. :angel2:

I just know what NOT to look for: that old guy in red robes.

 

[Riverwolf]

If the Jew is wearing his cap and the Christian his cross, yes. If not, not likely.

If not likely, then it is easy to assume that though people may hold different details on their beliefs, they still can think in the same universal way. (WHILE RETAINING their own individuality)

If bold enough we can ask them to drop their drawers and this too would eliminate some possibilities. Smiles.

Regards
DL

Not really sure what your saying here. Could you rephrase it, please?

 

[Riverwolf]

No idea. You would have to ask their God.

Regards
DL

Maybe because the other gods never gave Yeh'vah any incentive to destroy them?

That's what makes the most sense to me. I was never much on speaking terms with any of the gods.

 

[Greatest I am]

M W

There are some similarities between my God and your Gods.
Some differences as well.
My God is not a creator God either. No miracles. He is one but made up of many.
“has it's own distinct personality, beliefs, philosophies,”
How do your Gods resolve any conflict of views?
Do they always all agree on issues?
Is there a hierarchy?
Are they eternal or do they die with the mind?

If they have no concept of good or evil, how can they help guide you in let’s say Gay issue or abortion issues?
My God does know good and evil.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

If not likely, then it is easy to assume that though people may hold different details on their beliefs, they still can think in the same universal way. (WHILE RETAINING their own individuality)



Not really sure what your saying here. Could you rephrase it, please?

Think foreskin. Snip. Smiles. I love innocence. So refreshing.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Maybe because the other gods never gave Yeh'vah any incentive to destroy them?

That's what makes the most sense to me. I was never much on speaking terms with any of the gods.

I spoke with mine just the once. That was enough. Pleasure and pain. It hurts and then there is only duty left and a sure knowledge of His reality. Then again I might have changed my way of thinking if He would not have show himself.

Regards
DL

 

[MoonWater]

M W

There are some similarities between my God and your Gods.
Some differences as well.
My God is not a creator God either. No miracles. He is one but made up of many.
“has it's own distinct personality, beliefs, philosophies,”
How do your Gods resolve any conflict of views?
Do they always all agree on issues?

Oh they agree and disagree with eachother about as much as us humans do with eachother. At least in terms of the spiritual guide gods. Those gods are not much different than us, they simply lack a physical body and have been around the block more than we have. The universal forces are always conflicting with eachother just by their very nature but are always seeking harmony with eachother as well.

Is there a hierarchy?

Among the universal forces certainly not, there is no force that is higher than any other(let me note that these forces are not concious in the way that we are. They are much like the force concept of star wars only they are numerous rather than limited to just one). As for the spiritual guide gods not strictly. Some gods work alone others in groups when they try to guide us young souls, and sometimes these groups may set up a hierarchy, but there doesn't have to be one.

Are they eternal or do they die with the mind?

They, just like our souls, are eternal in the sense that the forces that make up all souls will always exist. However our own individuality our own self or "I", as well as that of the gods(as they are just like us only "older" souls). will eventually cease to be once we are able to harmonize the myriad of forces within us that makeup our souls.

If they have no concept of good or evil, how can they help guide you in let’s say Gay issue or abortion issues?

The universal forces are not here to guide us or anything else, they just ARE, much like air just IS. As for the spiritual guide gods many of them DO have a concept of good and evil and many of them don't. Some of them have certain ideas about the issues you bring up that they want their followers to believe in and take to heart and some don't bother with them. They are as individual as we are.

My God does know good and evil.

And that's fine. I understand how those concepts help you in your world views and your understanding of things. They simply have the opposite affect for me. Nor has the particular spiritual guide god that I "follow" communicated anything to me of any good or evil dichotomy.

Regards
DL

 

[Riverwolf]

Think foreskin. Snip. Smiles. I love innocence. So refreshing.

Regards
DL

Oh. I get you.

Circumcision isn't limited to Judaism, you know.

 

[Greatest I am]

M W
Thanks for that.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Oh. I get you.

Circumcision isn't limited to Judaism, you know.

Yes I know.

Regards
DL

 

[MoonWater]

M W
Thanks for that.

Regards
DL

Your welcome

 

[Greatest I am]

Nothing is truly black or white. Everything is in shades of gray. No matter what opinion you or I have, someone, somewhere will disagree with it. Stating a disagreement is not necessarily an attack. At least it doesn't have to be.

Most of what people call fact is actually an opinion. There are very few absolutes. I like my faith- I like practicing it. However, someone else sees my faith as a delusion. They are entitled to think that, since for them it is true. Just as my faith is true to me.

What color would you give this, black white or which shade of gray?
http://photosthatchangedtheworld.com/starving-child-vulture/
Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

I believe it was you who said there was beauty in all things.


What beauty is here?
http://photosthatchangedtheworld.com/starving-child-vulture/
Regards
DL

 

[MoonWater]

The child, the child is the beauty in that picture. Yes I can see that he;s starving and I think that is just awful and wish there were something I could do to help him. but he is still a beautiful child. All children are beautiful, at least beautiful on the inside. The fact that some of them may be starving doesn't change the fact that they are still beautiful children. It is the fact that they are children that makes them beautiful not the fact that they are starving. And saying that there is beauty in a starving child does not mean that we approve of it or like it or accept it or anything like that. We don't want these children to starve anymore than you do. Why do you insist that just because we don't see things as you do it means we approve of such things as letting children starve, or committing genocide, we don't.(I say "we" because I think this was runewolf's point as well and how he views it, correct me if I'm wrong runewolf). We may have a different way of looking at things than you but that doesn't mean we WANT these children to suffer. Why can't you see that? Why do you insist on calling us out and trying to denigrate us and our views or back us into corners or insult us simply because we don't think as you do or label things as you do or see things as black and white or absolute as you do? This isn't a matter of right and wrong, greatest, it is a matter of semantics and differing perspectives. We are not your enemy and yet you treat us as such, why?

 

[doppelganger]

What color would you give this, black white or which shade of gray?
http://photosthatchangedtheworld.com/starving-child-vulture/
Regards
DL

What if I am looking at it through the vulture's eyes?

 

[Riverwolf]

What beauty is here?
http://photosthatchangedtheworld.com/starving-child-vulture/
Regards
DL

Because he is beautiful, I want to help him and hand him some food and chase the vulture away. If it weren't beautiful but ugly, I would not have any sympathy.

 

[Greatest I am]

The child, the child is the beauty in that picture. Yes I can see that he;s starving and I think that is just awful and wish there were something I could do to help him. but he is still a beautiful child. All children are beautiful, at least beautiful on the inside. The fact that some of them may be starving doesn't change the fact that they are still beautiful children. It is the fact that they are children that makes them beautiful not the fact that they are starving. And saying that there is beauty in a starving child does not mean that we approve of it or like it or accept it or anything like that. We don't want these children to starve anymore than you do. Why do you insist that just because we don't see things as you do it means we approve of such things as letting children starve, or committing genocide, we don't.(I say "we" because I think this was runewolf's point as well and how he views it, correct me if I'm wrong runewolf). We may have a different way of looking at things than you but that doesn't mean we WANT these children to suffer. Why can't you see that? Why do you insist on calling us out and trying to denigrate us and our views or back us into corners or insult us simply because we don't think as you do or label things as you do or see things as black and white or absolute as you do? This isn't a matter of right and wrong, greatest, it is a matter of semantics and differing perspectives. We are not your enemy and yet you treat us as such, why?

I was asking for an opinion. I have yet to respond to it and I am already told that I have criticized your thinking, have called you out, am trying to denigrate you, back you into a corner, insult you etc. etc.

You have already created my criticism for me, fact is that I have yet to write it. This shows more the guilt you feel for your own response than anything I have yet to write. This tells me more than I can ever tell you.

Thanks for telling me how I think.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

What if I am looking at it through the vulture's eyes?

A meal is a meal. It is not beautiful or ugly to it. It is food.

When you look at what you eat, is it beautiful?

Regards
DL

 

[kai]

A meal is a meal. It is not beautiful or ugly to it. It is food.

When you look at what you eat, is it beautiful?

Regards
DL

In my opinion when i have done a hard days work on a cold day, a large plate with a large steak sat on it with onions ,mushrooms and Chips is a work of art, truly beautiful.

 

[Greatest I am]

Because he is beautiful, I want to help him and hand him some food and chase the vulture away. If it weren't beautiful but ugly, I would not have any sympathy.

My sympathy is triggered more by ugliness than beauty. Something of beauty does not need it.

If I walk down the street and see two people, one ugly the other not then I would give sympathy to the ugly, not the other more beautiful one.

Your statement give the most comely the sympathy. Strange. It must just be the way you use the language.

I should tell you that I am hard hearted and often rely on my soft hearted wife for some opinions. She too thought it ugly.

Regards
DL