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Most recent cases and deaths of Covid-19 are unvaccinated.

exchemist

Veteran Member
I would. I don't know if I'd be formally considered long covid, but getting covid did lead to my shoulder getting messed up due to a fatigue that was going on long covid that weakened my body.
Did you get long term fatigue after catching covid, then? How long for and has it gone away now?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Did you get long term fatigue after catching covid, then? How long for and has it gone away now?
I had extremely terrible fatigue the first few weeks (sleeping over 12 hours a day and tired enough after a few hours to go back to bed, no energy for much of anything) and then the next few weeks was like a bad fibro flair up.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
I had extremely terrible fatigue the first few weeks (sleeping over 12 hours a day and tired enough after a few hours to go back to bed, no energy for much of anything) and then the next few weeks was like a bad fibro flair up.
Hmm, not nice - and quite a common experience, apparently. Was this after vaccination or before? (I had a bit of that for a few weeks, mildly thank goodness, but that was probably because I got it before the vaccines were available.)
 

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
Have you ever looked at the disclaimer on the VAERS site? My god, I have been posting it for a couple of years now, but antivaxers are still stuck in the meme.

VAERS accepts reports of adverse events that occur following vaccination. Anyone, including Healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to the system. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. Vaccine providers are encouraged to report any clinically significant health problem following vaccination to VAERS even if they are not sure if the vaccine was the cause. In some situations, reporting to VAERS is required of healthcare providers and vaccine manufacturers.​
VAERS reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. Reports to VAERS can also be biased. As a result, there are limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.​
 

Orbit

I'm a planet

Ebionite

Well-Known Member
What was all this then? What other data was he using?
That was a CDC study on VAERS reporting levels which found that adverse events were being under-reported by around a factor of 100.
It wasn't a study that was independent of the VAERS data, which is what I think you were looking for.
 

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
That was a CDC study on VAERS reporting levels which found that adverse events were being under-reported by around a factor of 100.
It wasn't a study that was independent of the VAERS data, which is what I think you were looking for.
So unreliable, uncorroborated reports to VAERS of adverse events were being under-reported? So what? Why does under-reporting make adverse event reports more likely to be true?

And yes, I was looking for other independent studies that Vigilant Fox apparently didn't provide in the tweet.
 
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Ebionite

Well-Known Member
So unreliable, uncorroborated reports to VAERS of adverse events were being under-reported? So what? Why does under-reporting make adverse event reports more likely to be true?
It doesn't make the reports more likely to be true, but it dramatically increases the probability of harm.

And yes, I was looking for other independent studies that Vigilant Fox apparently didn't provide in the tweet.
It's not independent, but you could try the Pfizer document entitled 5.3.6 Cumulative Analysis of Post-Authorization Adverse Event Reports of PF-07302048 (BNT162B2) Received Through 28-Feb-2021

Over twelve hundred people died within three months of taking the injection (through the end of February 2021).
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
It doesn't make the reports more likely to be true, but it dramatically increases the probability of harm.


It's not independent, but you could try the Pfizer document entitled 5.3.6 Cumulative Analysis of Post-Authorization Adverse Event Reports of PF-07302048 (BNT162B2) Received Through 28-Feb-2021

Over twelve hundred people died within three months of taking the injection (through the end of February 2021).
Okay. The vaccines were given to millions. What you need to do is to compare the death rate of a population of the same size before the pandemic. If twelve hundred people in a population of the same size and age distribution died within the same time period then you have a big nothing.
 

Unfettered

A striving disciple of Jesus Christ
For anyone interested, here is an excerpt and link to the study cited by Mr. Kennedy:

"Adverse events from drugs and vaccines are common, but underreported. Although 25% of
ambulatory patients experience an adverse drug event, less than 0.3% of all adverse drug events
and 1-13% of serious events are reported to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
Likewise, fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events are reported. Low reporting rates preclude or
slow the identification of “problem” drugs and vaccines that endanger public health. New
surveillance methods for drug and vaccine adverse effects are needed. Barriers to reporting
include a lack of clinician awareness, uncertainty about when and what to report, as well as the
burdens of reporting: reporting is not part of clinicians’ usual workflow, takes time, and is
duplicative. Proactive, spontaneous, automated adverse event reporting imbedded within EHRs
and other information systems has the potential to speed the identification of problems with new
drugs and more careful quantification of the risks of older drugs.

Unfortunately, there was never an opportunity to perform system performance assessments
because the necessary CDC contacts were no longer available and the CDC consultants
responsible for receiving data were no longer responsive to our multiple requests to proceed with
testing and evaluation."

 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Let's start with the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio.

Its study finds 99.75 percent of the patients this year who had to be hospitalized, sick with COVID, were not fully vaccinated. And of the employees who tested positive for the virus, 99.7 percent had not gotten the vaccine.

I always remember my statistics class where the teacher said, "You can make numbers say anything want it to say"

As I look at just this point, 99.75% were vaccinated. Just not as much as they wanted them vaccinated which means that most people hospitalized found that the vaccine wasn't very effective.

Then we find that the people who tested positive (like those hospitalized) were actually less in percentage that those who were hospitalized and, it would appear, they weren't placed into the hospital.

It also doesn't say how many of them actually contracted... was it just 10 out of 1,000? Apparently you can get "positive" with or without a vaccine.

So... looking at this group of statistics, it seems like it is better not to get vaccinated.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
For anyone interested, here is an excerpt and link to the study cited by Mr. Kennedy:

"Adverse events from drugs and vaccines are common, but underreported. Although 25% of
ambulatory patients experience an adverse drug event, less than 0.3% of all adverse drug events
and 1-13% of serious events are reported to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
Likewise, fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events are reported. Low reporting rates preclude or
slow the identification of “problem” drugs and vaccines that endanger public health. New
surveillance methods for drug and vaccine adverse effects are needed. Barriers to reporting
include a lack of clinician awareness, uncertainty about when and what to report, as well as the
burdens of reporting: reporting is not part of clinicians’ usual workflow, takes time, and is
duplicative. Proactive, spontaneous, automated adverse event reporting imbedded within EHRs
and other information systems has the potential to speed the identification of problems with new
drugs and more careful quantification of the risks of older drugs.

Unfortunately, there was never an opportunity to perform system performance assessments
because the necessary CDC contacts were no longer available and the CDC consultants
responsible for receiving data were no longer responsive to our multiple requests to proceed with
testing and evaluation."

Mr. Kennedy is a conspiracy theory idiot and an unreliable source. His statements are distorted misinformation.
 
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