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Most recent cases and deaths of Covid-19 are unvaccinated.

Ebionite

Well-Known Member
Easy as pie . . .
So can you show any facts which refute Kennedy's statement?

From your link, Kennedy said:

“COVID-19 attacks certain races disproportionately. COVID-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and Black people. The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese.”
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
So can you show any facts which refute Kennedy's statement?

From your link, Kennedy said:

“COVID-19 attacks certain races disproportionately. COVID-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and Black people. The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese.”
When he says "is targeted", this means there is
intent. Does he have an evidenced argument
that anyone has done this? If he can't say
who & how, then it's just a made up conspiracy.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
So can you show any facts which refute Kennedy's statement?

From your link, Kennedy said:

“COVID-19 attacks certain races disproportionately. COVID-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and Black people. The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese.”
It is a false fact that Kennedy said COVID-19 was racially targeted. There is no evidence for this. Please respond completely to my post and others..
 

Sargonski

Well-Known Member
Almost all COVID cases now occurring in those not vaccinated studies show | wwltv.com


Almost all COVID cases now occurring in those not vaccinated studies show

New, emerging science shows there is a reason for vaccinated people to be optimistic about getting back to normal, but not as much for the unvaccinated.

NEW ORLEANS — COVID-19 cases, deaths and hospitalizations are going down across the country. In fact, the case rate is the lowest it's been in nearly a year.

That may sound like good news, but it's only good news for some.

New, emerging science shows there is a reason for vaccinated people to be optimistic about getting back to normal, but not as much for the unvaccinated.


Let's start with the Cleveland Clinic in Ohio.

Its study finds 99.75 percent of the patients this year who had to be hospitalized, sick with COVID, were not fully vaccinated. And of the employees who tested positive for the virus, 99.7 percent had not gotten the vaccine.

But among those who got the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, it was more than 96 percent effective in protecting them from getting COVID-19.

Now let's look at some states. Unvaccinated people in states such as Colorado, Maine, Rhode Island and Washington are having high infection spikes similar to the winter surge. Similarly, the African-American community in Washington D.C. is where 80 percent of that city's new cases are showing up, because of lower vaccination rates. And in some states there is still a steady death rate, but only among the unvaccinated. In Maryland the risk of going to the hospital if you’ve been infected, is going up if you're not vaccinated, possibly due to the variants that are spreading.

So we wanted to know where Louisiana stands, but the state does not post infections or hospitalizations by vaccine status. So according to LCMC which runs six local hospitals, the people coming into hospital emergency rooms with COVID are typically the unvaccinated. Very few who got the shot come in and have to be admitted, and if they do, their cases are mild.

So doctors say the bottom line is things are getting safer for the vaccinated, that's the reason overall numbers are going down, but the unvaccinated are still at risk and getting the wrong safety message.

Another concern doctors have is that new variants will be created in people who are not vaccinated and that the vaccine can not protect against.

There is no link to the study .. but regardless... this was "Fake News" the date June 2021 ... Which means the study over the previous year would be like from March 2000 to March 2021 .. so of course most folks showing up at the hospital were not "fully Vaccinated" as the vax didn't roll out until December 2000.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
No, it is an actual fact that he said it. Whether or not what he said is true is what matters.

It is an actual fact that he said it in public.

“COVID-19 — there is an argument that it is ethnically targeted,” Kennedy said. “COVID-19 attacks certain races disproportionately. COVID-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and Black people. The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese.”
Why would anyone care about what you haven't seen?

If you are asserting that what Kennedy said is false then you should have something to support that position.

Races were NOT targeted by COVID-19. There is no evidence of this.
 
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shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
There is no link to the study .. but regardless... this was "Fake News" the date June 2021 ... Which means the study over the previous year would be like from March 2000 to March 2021 .. so of course most folks showing up at the hospital were not "fully Vaccinated" as the vax didn't roll out until December 2000.
See post #125
 

Ebionite

Well-Known Member
It is an actual fact that he said it in public.

“COVID-19 — there is an argument that it is ethnically targeted,” Kennedy said. “COVID-19 attacks certain races disproportionately. COVID-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and Black people. The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese.”
Yes.

Races were NOT targeted by COVID-19. There is no evidence of this.
Your inability to show evidence indicates that you're arguing from faith, not from facts.
 

Sargonski

Well-Known Member
See post #125

For sure the death rate for the immune compromized went down.. on mRNA Jab .. some protection is better than nothing. .. This Data has nothing to do with healthy people .. ..an unfortunate Statistical fallacy .. the source of much much propaganda.. .. What was the name of that Barrington Declaration .. signed by hundreds of top Scientists .. subject matter experts .. Said lock down the weak .. the rest of us go about our business relatively normal .. taking some extra precation .. masking . .. but knowing we are all going to get it at some point . .. the Sweden experiment proved part of what they were saying correct as they fared no worse over the long term than the locked down west .. or the partially locked down west.. never went into full lockdown like Australia .. China ..

Anyhow .. the Jab helped the severely immune compromized get through covid... for the rest of the population .. the risk of harm far greater than any benfit from the Jab. These mRNA treatments a failure on that measure .. and super dangerous in general .. 300% more dangerous than that to Males 16-30
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Glad you agree with Mr Kennedy's racist terrible statement the COVID-19 was race targeted.
Your inability to show evidence indicates that you're arguing from faith, not from facts.

Done that. This piles it on My Kennedy funds and supports antivaxxer organization.

"COVID-19. There is an argument that it is ethnically targeted. COVID-19 attacks certain races disproportionately," Kennedy said at a recent dinner in New York City. The remarks were videotaped and first published by the New York Post on Saturday.

"COVID-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and Black people. The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese," he continued, adding, "We don't know whether it was deliberately targeted or not but there are papers out there that show the racial or ethnic differential and impact."

Kennedy later posted a video statement on Sunday, saying in part: "Nobody has suggested that these were deliberately engineered changes and I certainly don't believe that they were deliberately engineered," but calling it "kind of a proof of concept that you can develop bioweapons that will attack certain ethnicities."

Kennedy, a former environmental attorney and a nephew of President John F. Kennedy, announced in April that he was running for the Democratic presidential nomination, in a challenge to President Biden. He has over the last 15 years become an outspoken voice of the anti-vaccine movement and a known conspiracy theorist whose claims have brought criticism from public health officials and his relatives alike.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
For sure the death rate for the immune compromized went down.. on mRNA Jab .. some protection is better than nothing. .. This Data has nothing to do with healthy people .. ..an unfortunate Statistical fallacy .. the source of much much propaganda.. .. What was the name of that Barrington Declaration .. signed by hundreds of top Scientists .. subject matter experts .. Said lock down the weak .. the rest of us go about our business relatively normal .. taking some extra precation .. masking . .. but knowing we are all going to get it at some point . .. the Sweden experiment proved part of what they were saying correct as they fared no worse over the long term than the locked down west .. or the partially locked down west.. never went into full lockdown like Australia .. China ..

Anyhow .. the Jab helped the severely immune compromized get through covid... for the rest of the population .. the risk of harm far greater than any benfit from the Jab. These mRNA treatments a failure on that measure .. and super dangerous in general .. 300% more dangerous than that to Males 16-30
I go by the history of who got COVID-19 and why related to being vaccinated and over the above does not fit the facts.
 

Ebionite

Well-Known Member
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Ebionite

Well-Known Member

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
It is an actual fact that he said it in public.

“COVID-19 — there is an argument that it is ethnically targeted,” Kennedy said. “COVID-19 attacks certain races disproportionately. COVID-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and Black people. The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese.”


Races were NOT targeted by COVID-19. There is no evidence of this.
Part of the evidence that supports the claim that Kennedy is a science denier.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Your devotion and denial does not help the case for Kennedy
Perhaps we should consider supporting
Kennedy's bid for high office. His run
might harm Trump's chances against Biden.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
But not their conclusions.
Am I to believe that you are expert in epidemiology,
have access to all their info & analysis, & can say that
Johns Hopkins & Mayo Clinic & CDC are all wrong,
& you are right?
Are you saying that I can't use critical thinking?

According to the Post Bulletin, the information about the antimalarial drug was added to Mayo’s website in May of 2020, but the following month the statement noted that "(h)ydroxychloroquine should only be used for COVID-19 in a hospital or during clinical trials. Do not take any medicine that contains hydroxychloroquine unless prescribed by your doctor." That information remained on the site until this week.

Following the attention Navarro’s post drew, a Mayo Clinic spokesperson told the Post Bulletin the page was removed so it could be updated “to make it clear that hydroxychloroquine should not be used to treat COVID-19 patients."

"Mayo Clinic is aware that inaccurate information about hydroxychloroquine was included on one of our web pages," the health system told the outlet.

Or that somehow, they have become our gods that can't be wrong?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Are you saying that I can't use critical thinking?
Oh, certainly no.
But this doesn't mean that you can't fall
prey occasionally to magical thinking, &
bias confirmation of dysfunctional beliefs.

According to the Post Bulletin, the information about the antimalarial drug was added to Mayo’s website in May of 2020, but the following month the statement noted that "(h)ydroxychloroquine should only be used for COVID-19 in a hospital or during clinical trials. Do not take any medicine that contains hydroxychloroquine unless prescribed by your doctor." That information remained on the site until this week.

Following the attention Navarro’s post drew, a Mayo Clinic spokesperson told the Post Bulletin the page was removed so it could be updated “to make it clear that hydroxychloroquine should not be used to treat COVID-19 patients."

"Mayo Clinic is aware that inaccurate information about hydroxychloroquine was included on one of our web pages," the health system told the outlet.

Or that somehow, they have become our gods that can't be wrong?
Ain't nobody perfect.
But this doesn't make all sources of info equivalent.
Mayo Clinic & Johns Hopkins are still more reliable
than right wing talk radio....the source a friend uses
for info about vaccines changing our DNA, that
Covid 19 is a government plot, & advice that prayer
is the only cure for Covid 19.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
You must be getting desperate to try that one. I don't have enough information to form an opinion on whether what he said is true or not.


Really?


Which means what, exactly?
More on Kennedy for you to chew on with the cud-chewing rabbits. Part 1


Kennedy’s organization, Children’s Health Defense, has published thousands of stories about COVID-19, many including misleading claims, some of which we’ve written about. During the pandemic, CHD increased its reach and doubled its funds, according to an investigation by the Associated Press. The extra money allowed the group to open new branches in the U.S., Canada, Europe and Australia; translate stories into Spanish, French, Italian and German; launch an internet TV channel; and start a movie studio. (Kennedy took a leave of absence starting on April 1 for his presidential campaign.)

In 2021, researchers identified Kennedy as one of the “Disinformation Dozen,” or the top 12 most prolific spreaders of COVID-19 misinformation online. That same year, Instagram took down Kennedy’s account for spreading false information, although it was reinstated in June because of his campaign. In 2022, Meta removed CHD’s Facebook and Instagram accounts for “repeatedly” violating its COVID-19 misinformation policies (the local chapters are still active on the platforms).

COVID-19 has given Kennedy a new base that shares a mistrust in health and governmental institutions, and he has consistently associated himself with the anti-vaccine movement. In Kennedy’s 2021 book, “The Real Anthony Fauci,” he presents the former director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases as the villain, carrying out a Machiavellian plan in partnership with pharmaceutical companies to profit from vaccines, while describing a list of prominent anti-vaccine figures to whom the book is dedicated as “heroic.”

In December 2021, Kennedy falsely called the COVID-19 vaccine “the deadliest vaccine ever made,” citing deaths reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, which is part of the nation’s vaccine safety monitoring systems. But as we have explained, the reports are unverified and, as the VAERS website warns, any report “to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event.” Expanded reporting requirements and intense scrutiny of the widely given COVID-19 vaccines did increase reporting to VAERS, but this doesn’t mean the shots are unsafe. recently, during his campaign, Kennedy hosted a virtual roundtable with some top COVID-19 misinformation spreaders, including Dr. Joseph Mercola, Del Bigtree and Dr. Pierre Kory. And in the first episode of his campaign YouTube series “Running on Truth,” the only three people featured are Dr. Christiane Northrup, Dr. Robert Malone and Kory — each of whom have pushed COVID-19 disinformation.

Time and again, Kennedy has misrepresented or distorted the science about the pandemic or the COVID-19 vaccines. Here, in the final installment of this three-part series, we review some of his claims on those topics that he’s made so far during his campaign challenging President Joe Biden for the Democratic nomination.

We reached out to his campaign for this series, but we haven’t received a response.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Part II

Deep Misrepresentation of Early Pandemic Genomic Study​

One of Kennedy’s most notable recent comments is the false claim that SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, may have been “targeted” to attack Caucasians and Black people — and that Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese people are the “most immune” to the disease.

“In fact, COVID-19 — there is an argument that it is ethnically targeted. COVID-19 attacks certain races disproportionately,” Kennedy said while talking about bioweapons and “ethnically targeted microbes,” during a press dinner in New York, made public by the New York Post. “COVID-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and Black people. The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese.”

It is not known, he added, “whether it was deliberately targeted or not, but there are papers out there that show the … racial and ethnic differential and impact to that.” As we will explain, studies do not support his claims.

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A nurse supports a patient as they walk in the COVID-19 alternative care site, built into a parking garage, at Renown Regional Medical Center in Reno, Nevada, on Dec. 16, 2020. Photo by Patrick T. Fallon / AFP via Getty Images.
His comments, published the morning of July 15, were widely and strongly criticized and condemned.

Hours after publication, Kennedy took to Twitter, which is now known as X, to defend himself. He said the New York Post story was “mistaken,” since he had “never, ever suggested” that SARS-CoV-2 “was targeted to spare Jews,” referring to the Post’s headline.

But then he added that he had “accurately pointed out … that the U.S. and other governments are developing ethnically targeted bioweapons and that a 2021 study of the COVID-19 virus shows that COVID-19 appears to disproportionately affect certain races since the furin cleave docking site is most compatible with Blacks and Caucasians and least compatible with ethnic Chinese, Finns, and Ashkenazi Jews. In that sense, it serves as a kind of proof of concept for ethnically targeted bioweapons. I do not believe and never implied that the ethnic effect was deliberately engineered.” His post included a link to a study published in July 2020, not 2021.

As we’ve written, all U.S. intelligence agencies agree that COVID-19 is not the result of a biological weapon.

In addition, the study’s findings “never supported” Kennedy’s claim, one of the authors told CBS News.

The study was done early in the pandemic, before any treatment was available, and the authors wanted to find out if genetic factors contributed to COVID-19 susceptibility, since that information could help in the development of personalized treatments.

But the study didn’t test whether certain gene variants actually make people more susceptible to the coronavirus — and it did not find that “COVID-19 appears to disproportionately affect certain races” because of genetic factors, as Kennedy claimed.

Instead, the authors probed around 81,000 human genomes for mutations in two proteins that allow the coronavirus to enter cells, ACE2 and TMPRSS2. They then used computer programs to identify 124 mutations that might make COVID-19 worse, and looked to see how common those mutations were in different populations.

The team found that certain groups, specifically African or African American and Non-Finnish Europeans, were more likely to have these possibly harmful variants than others — and that for ACE2, no mutations were identified in genomes from Ashkenazi Jewish or Amish populations (East Asian, along with Finnish, South Asian and Latino populations, were in between).

But as the authors acknowledged, the results only “suggested possible associations” between certain gene variants and COVID-19 susceptibility — and needed to be validated in COVID-19 patients.

One genomics expert noted on X that it’s possible the paper’s findings simply reflect the bias in the genome sampling, since very few genomes were from Ashkenazi Jewish or Amish people, while far more were from African or African American or European people.

Moreover, most of the possibly harmful mutations are rare in the populations — often 0.01% or less — so they hardly represent a good way of creating an ethnically-targeted bioweapon, even if the findings were to be validated.

“Even if there are links to certain genetic makeups that MAY put you at higher or lower risk,” Florian Krammer, a virologist at Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, told PolitiFact, “these influences have a low effect size.”

Another study, published in April 2021, which did perform some biochemical assays to try to confirm some results, found ACE2 variants that increase or decrease COVID-19 susceptibility “to be rare, which is consistent with the overall low number of ACE2 receptor population level polymorphisms.” The researchers also said they didn’t find any statistically significant difference in the frequency of ACE2 variants in different population groups.

Studies have found that racial disparities in COVID-19 cases and deaths are explained mostly by structural social and economic inequities, such as access to quality healthcare, not by genetic differences. Research has not suggested that Jewish or Chinese people have any kind of genetic “immunity” to COVID-19.

This is not the first time Kennedy has made controversial comments about Jewish people during the COVID-19 pandemic. In a rally against vaccine mandates in 2022, he said Jewish people were in a better situation in Nazi Germany than people in the U.S. under public health policies adopted to slow the spread of COVID-19. “Even in Hitler’s Germany, you could cross the Alps into Switzerland. You could hide in an attic like Anne Frank did,” he said.

During a hearing convened by House Republicans in July, Kennedy denied accusations of racism and antisemitism, and in an exchange with Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a Democrat from Florida, falsely claimed he had “never ever” compared public health measures during the pandemic with Hitler’s Germany.


Interesting that Kennedy is constantly denying he did say what he said, and his personal organization supports.
 
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