Most trustworthy ?

[John1.12]

Have you actually looked at the link I gave you? What would be your response to each of the instances in that link?

The bible is not fighting itself. When it says Jesus knew no sin ( did not sin )

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Did you read point 1 ) lol . Are you seriously saying someone who doesn't marry and have Children is sinning? lol And its not 'law ' It was a command to Adam and so forth to populate the earth. The creator of the universe ( Jesus) The one who created the sabbath is not sinning when he works on the sabbath. Plus its a misunderstanding of the sabbath requirements.

So by claiming he is God, he can do what he likes including breaking his own laws...

 

[John1.12]

So by claiming he is God, he can do what he likes including breaking his own laws...

The bible says he did not sin , so how do you think we should view those verses about the sabbath ? Of course if you don't believe the bible you will interpret accordingly.

 

[Viker]

I believe that Jesus Is the most trustworthy person ever . Like seriously 'ever '. We look across the landscape of historical figures, religious leaders , prophets , gurus , life coaches , kings , queens ,politicians , and anyone you would care to mention , and I make the claim that only one person stands way above the rest.
Now I'm referring to the biblical Jesus. The one that Christianity proclaims .
So for arguments sake, if we assume that all the claims of the religions are equally viable and their leaders / prophets/ figure heads existed and there sources ,reliable. If we grant all that and we simply base our judgments on ' trustworthiness. This would be on Character, reliability, promises , the extent in which they showed sacrificial love love , charity, giving , faithfulness, selflessness, and what they offered to the world on such things as , hope , joy ,peace , eternal life , ect .
So to recap . Which historical figure , religious or otherwise is / was the most trustworthy . The one if true would be the most trustworthy for such matters as described above ?

Seriously. My mother. I knew her and she was always there for me. She saved my life as a child.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

The bible says he did not sin , so how do you think we should view those verses about the sabbath?

You tell me.

 

[John1.12]

You tell me.

If He did not sin ,he did not sin ..Someone's lying to you .

 

[The_Fisher_King]

If He did not sin ,he did not sin ..Someone's lying to you .

That's not really much of an explanation.

 

[John1.12]

That's not really much of an explanation.

If the same bible says that Jesus did not sin and someone is quoting another verse to say that he did ,how can that be the correct interpretation ? A clear verse literally says he did not sin . So in light of that verse did Jesus sin ? No . Ok, so the allegations made by those that don't believe the bible don't add up according to the bible. The bible never says Jesus sinned ,does it? No one in the bible in any of the 66 books says Jesus sinned . Well unless you count the pharisees, and those that wanted him crucified and ultimately he was crucified ( according to the Scriptures.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

If the same bible says that Jesus did not sin and someone is quoting another verse to say that he did ,how can that be the correct interpretation ? A clear verse literally says he did not sin . So in light of that verse did Jesus sin ? No . Ok, so the allegations made by those that don't believe the bible don't add up according to the bible. The bible never says Jesus sinned ,does it? No one in the bible in any of the 66 books says Jesus sinned . Well unless you count the pharisees, and those that wanted him crucified and ultimately he was crucified ( according to the Scriptures.

Maybe the Bible isn't wholly consistent? It says Jesus (pbuh) never sinned, but then if sinning means trangressing the law, and he transgressed the law, ergo he sinned.

 

[John1.12]

Maybe the Bible isn't wholly consistent? It says Jesus (pbuh) never sinned, but then if sinning means trangressing the law, and he transgressed the law, ergo he sinned.

Which verse says he transgressed the law? The bible says he never sinned . Sin is transgression of the law ,so therefore he never transgressed the law . So your interpretation is clearly wrong.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

Which verse says he transgressed the law? The bible says he never sinned . Sin is transgression of the law ,so therefore he never transgressed the law . So your interpretation is clearly wrong.

When he is said to have driven the money-changers, sheep and oxen from the temple with a scourge, and poured out their money, and overthrown their tables in what appears to have been a fit of anger and violence, did he not transgress the law?

Or prior to that event, per Mark 11:12-14, what about when he is hungry and finds a fig tree in leaf but no fruit on it, he curses it in what again looks like anger.

Or Mark 7:15-19, in which he declares all foods clean (breaking the law in relation to kosher foods).

What about Matthew 15:22-27, when he appears to have called the woman of Canaan who came to him asking for help a dog?

 

[Shakeel]

If you were to claim that he's God, then it would be a waste of time to argue whether he was the most trustworthy person. It would be like arguing whether God is more trustworthy than people, and I hope that doesn't become a question.

Christians make a lot of unnecessary arguments because of their confusion of the being of Jesus (peace be upon him).

 

[Shakeel]

Which verse says he transgressed the law? The bible says he never sinned . Sin is transgression of the law ,so therefore he never transgressed the law . So your interpretation is clearly wrong.

Mark 1:4 says "And so John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins."

One might argue that in Matthew 12 he disrespect his mother: "46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”


48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

And again in Luke 11 "27 As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.” 28 He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”

 

[Shakeel]

When he is said to have driven the money-changers, sheep and oxen from the temple with a scourge, and poured out their money, and overthrown their tables in what appears to have been a fit of anger and violence, did he not transgress the law?

How would that be transgressing?

 

[John1.12]

When he is said to have driven the money-changers, sheep and oxen from the temple with a scourge, and poured out their money, and overthrown their tables in what appears to have been a fit of anger and violence, did he not transgress the law?

Or prior to that event, per Mark 11:12-14, what about when he is hungry and finds a fig tree in leaf but no fruit on it, he curses it in what again looks like anger.

Or Mark 7:15-19, in which he declares all foods clean (breaking the law in relation to kosher foods).

What about Matthew 15:22-27, when he appears to have called the woman of Canaan who came to him asking for help a dog?

"appears to have been a fit of anger and violence,"

"he curses it in what again looks like anger."

" " when he appears to have called the woman of Canaan who came to him asking for help a dog?"

These are your private interpretations . Ok does it say He transgressed the law ? No . Either your correct ,or the bible is correct.
I believe the bible is correct, when it says Jesus was without sin . Clue . Your misinterpreting and misunderstanding. Jesus was not angry ( unrighteous anger ) without a cause ,either. Your looking for things to ' fit ' the story you have .

 

[John1.12]

Mark 1:4 says "And so John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins."

One might argue that in Matthew 12 he disrespect his mother: "46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”


48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

And again in Luke 11 "27 As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.” 28 He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”

"One might argue that in Matthew 12 he disrespect his mother" Yes this is what your doing . Its called assumption and conjecture.

 

[Shakeel]

"One might argue that in Matthew 12 he disrespect his mother" Yes this is what your doing . Its called assumption and conjecture.

It appears Christians respect Mary much more than Jesus (peace be upon him) did in the the Bible.

He basically disowned his mother in his statement. How is that not disrespectful? Would you do that to your mother? Would you ask "who is my mother"? And deem that honoring your mother?

 

[John1.12]

It appears Christians respect Mary much more than Jesus (peace be upon him) did in the the Bible.

He basically disowned his mother in his statement. How is that not disrespectful? Would you do that to your mother? Would you ask "who is my mother"? And deem that honoring your mother?

His answer is a little more profound than that .

 

[John1.12]

Mark 1:4 says "And so John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins."

One might argue that in Matthew 12 he disrespect his mother: "46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”


48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

And again in Luke 11 "27 As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.” 28 He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”

Yes Catholics have distorted Mary out of proportion. This verse clears that up .

 

[John1.12]

It appears Christians respect Mary much more than Jesus (peace be upon him) did in the the Bible.

He basically disowned his mother in his statement. How is that not disrespectful? Would you do that to your mother? Would you ask "who is my mother"? And deem that honoring your mother?

//He basically disowned his mother// Does it say this anywhere? Your imposing your private interpretation onto the text .