Movie- The true life of Muhammad.

[loverofhumanity]

WHERE?

The explanation is in a book Some Answered Questions. I will include a link to the relevant explanations. If you really want to know you will have to study it carefully not just skim and then reject everything. It will take a while so you need to set aside some time. If the Bible did prophesy Muhammad then it’s an axiomatic fact that by rejecting Muhammad one is rejecting the Bible too.

According to this interpretation (rev ch12) the Bible did not miss the appearance of Muhammad for it is the Book of God.


Other Biblical References to Muhammad and Ali


“References in the Bible to ‘Mt. Paran’ and ‘Paraclete’ refer to Muhammad’s Revelation: Deuteronomy 33:2, Genesis 21:21, Numbers “12:16, Numbers 13:3. Genesis 17:20 refers to the twelve Imams and in the Revelation of St. John, chapter 11, where it mentions two witnesses, it refers to Muhammad and Ali.”

Revelation Chapter 12

Bahá'í Reference Library - Some Answered Questions, Pages 67-72

 

[loverofhumanity]

Nope, the Jesus Islam believes in did not die on the Cross.
in Q4:157 Allah actually say he made Christians believe that Jesus was crucified and died, but he made some sort of Hollographic projection, and deceived Christians for over 600 years!
Nope, Muhammad never made Christians.
He threatened Jewish tribes, and Christians with death, and if he did not kill them, he forced them into Islam.
I do not know the Muhammad you are speaking about.
The one in the Islamic books are not the Muhammad you are telling me about.

The Muhammad I know is the prophet followed by ISIS, Boko Haram, al Quaida, and inocent men and women who blows themself up to kill Kafir people.
Sorry, but this is the truth, I can not honey coat these facts.

“The crucifixion as recounted in the New Testament is correct. The meaning of the Qur’anic version is that the spirit of Christ was not crucified. There is no conflict between the two.” (Effendi)

The groups you speak of do not represent Islam whatsoever. What about the 1.7 peaceful Muslims? Let’s be fair and not paint an entire population with the same brush.

The siege of Jerusalem where Christians slaughtered pregnant women and babies after which they sung the praises of Jesus. So are you saying that because they called themselves Christians that Jesus condoned the slaughter of pregnant women and children?

 

[loverofhumanity]

So what would you say is the Uglyness I will add to the current uglyness?
The Truth perhaps?
Do you believe a truthfull depliction of Muhammad is Bad?
Or shall we rather put our heads in a hole and present Muhammad as a beautifull saviour of mankind, knowing we would hide almost 90% of everything he did!
Allowing millions to believe in a lie?
Will you make this movie, and I make one about the hard and ugly truth?

Muhammad is a saviour of mankind. He stood up for freedom of religion which we all enjoy in most countries. Instead of making false accusations why don’t you list your sources? Because your posts lack evidence and substance. Show us your proof of your claims by quoting sources.

 

[England my lionheart]

The explanation is in a book Some Answered Questions. I will include a link to the relevant explanations. If you really want to know you will have study it carefully not just skim and then reject everything. It will take a while so you need to set aside some time. If the Bible did prophesy Muhammad then it’s an axiomatic fact that by rejecting Muhammad one is rejecting the Bible too.

According to this interpretation (rev ch12) the Bible did not miss the appearance of Muhammad for it is the Book of God.


Other Biblical References to Muhammad and Ali


“References in the Bible to ‘Mt. Paran’ and ‘Paraclete’ refer to Muhammad’s Revelation: Deuteronomy 33:2, Genesis 21:21, Numbers “12:16, Numbers 13:3. Genesis 17:20 refers to the twelve Imams and in the Revelation of St. John, chapter 11, where it mentions two witnesses, it refers to Muhammad and Ali.”

Revelation Chapter 12

Bahá'í Reference Library - Some Answered Questions, Pages 67-72

I don’t understand why the claim that muhammed is mentioned in the Song of Songs,a song about love,he isn’t or the bible.

 

[loverofhumanity]

I don’t understand why the claim that muhammed is mentioned in the Song of Songs,a song about love,he isn’t or the bible.

From my observation my quotes do not refer to Song of Songs. Can you clarify?

 

[MyM]

Oh yes. he also did good things.
He said there are 4 women that will go to paradise.
4 Women of Paradise
The Messenger of Allah s.a.w. drew four lines on the ground, then he s.a.w. said, “Do you know what this is?” The Companions r.a. replied, “Allah and His Messenger know best.” He s.a.w. then said: “The best of the women of Paradise are Khadijah bint Khuwaylid, Fatimah bint Muhammad, Maryam bint ‘Imran and Asiya bint Muzahim, the wife of Pharaoh”
(Musnad Ahmad)

And he unfortunately told everyone that women can not go to paradise, because they are
deficient in their intellect,
and deficient in their religion!

Sahih al-Bukhari 304 - Menstrual Periods - كتاب الحيض - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)
O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)."
The women asked, "O Allah's Messenger What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?"
He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?"


Therefore, If ever I get to paradise, where Allah gave me big breasted woman, and I find my wife is in hell because the way Allah made her!!!
I will tell Allah to stuff his paradise, and to send me to my innocent wife!
Greetings in the Name of Jesus Christ, He who saves all men and Women from hell on the grounds of their forgiveness of sin.

And you continue....omg such ignorance is beyond me and you keep on degrading and degrading.

Women do not do the ritual prayers yes, for they are on their menses. But this does not stop them from making du'a (supplicating) to their Creator. Nor does it stop them from doing and saying good things to increase their goodness for the afterlife.

In Islam, Allah says,
“And get two witnesses out of your own men. And if there are not two men (available), then a man and two women, such as you agree for witnesses, so that if one of them (two women) errs, the other can remind her”
al-Baqarah 2:282

A woman may do a great deal of righteous deeds and thus surpass many men in her righteous deeds, fear of Allah and status in the Hereafter. She may have a great deal of interest in some matters and thus able to give proper testimony, better than that of some men in some issues in which she has an interest. She may strive in memorization and understanding these issues, thus becoming a reference point with regard to Islamic history and many other things. This is clear to anyone who studies the state of women at the time of the Messenger of Allah pbuh and after that.

For her lack of religion...it is explained very eloquently When she is on her menses, she is not in a pure state. This is a time where her missing prayers and fasts at the time of menses and these things are a minus for her. It doesn't mean she is hated or disgusted in Islam like you portray it to be. But that does not imply that she is less than a man in everything, or that a man is better than her in everything.

In Islam, it recognizes that women can have hormonal changes and it affects their reason and personality at times. It doesn't make her less intelligent for there are plenty of women that can outsmart a man any ol' day.

As for the hadith about women ...it's mainly talking about those women who are ungrateful and especially to their husbands.

So, again as you can see, very easily explained YET AGAIN as you try your hardest to hurt Islam and Muslims.

 

[MyM]

In the western world, we do.
Whats wrong with that?
Is Muhammad a god that you should be scared to show him in an immage?
Who says I am not allowed to do it, I am not a Muslim, and Islamic laws dont count for me!
Or do you want to force your religion onto me?
What does that mean. We all know he was a very influential man. Hitler was the number one influential man in Germany in 1933. Influential simply means he influenced a lot of people!
Does not mean he was a truthfull man, or a good man at all. I mean, just look at his 15 wifes, and how he forced 8 of them into being his sex slaves.

Nope, I add 50 Hadiths and Quran verses to it, and you loose it because of facts.


Muhammad said My god is an idol. He has no right to blaspheme my God and saviour.
He started it, and I can continue to answer him.

I am a Christian that believes in the Only One God YHWH, who Muhammad did not even know about.So simple.


OK, so if I read the Quran, Hadith, Sunnah, I first need your pernission on what I am reading.
Nope, I dont think so.
A case of
Ask my brother Andy...
he lies just like me.

Really wish you would stop being stop this nonsense.


You are proving more and more that you do not know much about Islam and you go and search what you think will harm and make fun of it, but IT ISN'T WORKING.

Mohammad pbuh never claimed to worship any other diety except Allah. He worshipped only one God, not three in one and( he would never say his God dies). He witnesses that there is only one God and that he is the last servant and messenger of God.

 

[firedragon]

In the western world, we do.
Whats wrong with that?
Is Muhammad a god that you should be scared to show him in an immage?
Who says I am not allowed to do it, I am not a Muslim, and Islamic laws dont count for me!
Or do you want to force your religion onto me?

That just shows you are no Christian mate. Its just paying lip service.

If you think sharing pornographic images of a religious figure is your religious endeavour, that's as cheap as a gutter, and worse.

If you think that is indeed being a true or good Christian, you should learn a little more. Thats not even stepping into the shoes of a kindergarten level human being. Below that.

 

[firedragon]

Oh yes. he also did good things.
He said there are 4 women that will go to paradise.
4 Women of Paradise
The Messenger of Allah s.a.w. drew four lines on the ground, then he s.a.w. said, “Do you know what this is?” The Companions r.a. replied, “Allah and His Messenger know best.” He s.a.w. then said: “The best of the women of Paradise are Khadijah bint Khuwaylid, Fatimah bint Muhammad, Maryam bint ‘Imran and Asiya bint Muzahim, the wife of Pharaoh”
(Musnad Ahmad)

And he unfortunately told everyone that women can not go to paradise, because they are
deficient in their intellect,
and deficient in their religion!

Sahih al-Bukhari 304 - Menstrual Periods - كتاب الحيض - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)
O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)."
The women asked, "O Allah's Messenger What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?"
He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?"


Therefore, If ever I get to paradise, where Allah gave me big breasted woman, and I find my wife is in hell because the way Allah made her!!!
I will tell Allah to stuff his paradise, and to send me to my innocent wife!
Greetings in the Name of Jesus Christ, He who saves all men and Women from hell on the grounds of their forgiveness of sin.

Since of course you are a pretend scholar, who cut and pastes arabic while having zero knowledge in anything and everything you speak of, you dont deserve anything more than a cut and paste. Sorry to others. You dont deserve cut and pastes like this, but some individuals do.

Death for Fornication

A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 )

Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 )

Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 )

Kill False Prophets

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, “You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord.” When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 )

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 )

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 )

Kill Followers of Other Religions.

1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 )

2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 )

Death for Blasphemy

One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD’s name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother’s name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD’s will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, “Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD’s name will surely die.(Leviticus 24:10-16 )

Kill False Prophets

1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, ‘Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,’ do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the

 

[England my lionheart]

From my observation my quotes do not refer to Song of Songs. Can you clarify?

Just an example of how hard people try to fit Muhammad in the bible,the closest they’ve got is the Song of Songs is 5:16,machmaddim doesn’t mean muhamed.

As for Paraclete and the other places you say he is mentioned or Ali can you show where their names are mentioned?,I doubt it though.

 

[MyM]

Nope, the Jesus Islam believes in did not die on the Cross.
in Q4:157 Allah actually say he made Christians believe that Jesus was crucified and died, but he made some sort of Hollographic projection, and deceived Christians for over 600 years!
Nope, Muhammad never made Christians.
He threatened Jewish tribes, and Christians with death, and if he did not kill them, he forced them into Islam.
I do not know the Muhammad you are speaking about.
The one in the Islamic books are not the Muhammad you are telling me about.

The Muhammad I know is the prophet followed by ISIS, Boko Haram, al Quaida, and inocent men and women who blows themself up to kill Kafir people.
Sorry, but this is the truth, I can not honey coat these facts.

I am beginning to think you are a part of this ISIS PROGRAM....since your mentality towards muslims is horrible.


WE believe what Allah has said in the Quran, that Allah took him up. Eesa the messenger of Allah will come again

Mohammad pbuh gave us guidelines to go by and that wasn't to kill or threaten jews and christians....

 

[loverofhumanity]

Just an example of how hard people try to fit Muhammad in the bible,the closest they’ve got is the Song of Songs is 5:16,machmaddim doesn’t mean muhamed.

As for Paraclete and the other places you say he is mentioned or Ali can you show where their names are mentioned?,I doubt it though.

I’ll do this one now. Reflect on the possibility.

Genesis 17:20

And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

The Bible is a Book primarily about spiritual or religious events and occurrences.

God said the seed of Abraham would inherit the earth. That means spiritually. Muhammad was descended from Ishmael whom you might recall was sent into the desert because he was born to an Egyptian slave and Abraham’s wife became jealous. The desert was Arabia that he settled in.

That is where Muhammad was born. In Shiah Islam there are Twelve Imams which are the 12 princes that Ishmael would beget through his descendant Muhammad. And the great nation was Islam.

If one looks at the Holy Scriptures in this light it’s ‘possible’ that this explanation holds true. I believe it is very true.

Another amazing truth is that Muhammad united the warring and barbaric tribes of the Arabian Peninsula into a Great Nation, so He founded both a spiritual and political nation. See how precise the scriptures can be and it’s not fiction because Ishmael did flee to the desert and that’s where His descendant founded both Islam and Arabia. In only two tiny sentences of the Bible so much is revealed. Revelation chapter 12 is mind boggling. Predicts Islam and the Imams and people have just skimmed over these verses thinking they are meaningless.

 

[MyM]

I’ll do this one now. Reflect on the possibility.

Genesis 17:20

And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

The Bible is a Book primarily about spiritual or religious events and occurrences.

God said the seed of Abraham would inherit the earth. That means spiritually. Muhammad was descended from Ishmael whom you might recall was sent into the desert because he was born to an Egyptian slave and Abraham’s wife became jealous. The desert was Arabia that he settled in.

That is where Muhammad was born. In Shiah Islam there are Twelve Imams which are the 12 princes that Ishmael would beget through his descendant Muhammad. And the great nation was Islam.

If one looks at the Holy Scriptures in this light it’s ‘possible’ that this explanation holds true. I believe it is very true.

In Islam, these 12 imaams are only in Shia islam which came AFTER Mohammad pbuh passed and throughout the entire time Mohammad pbuh was alive, he never spoke of these 12 imaams.

The bible is talking about the 12 tribes of judea

 

[loverofhumanity]

In Islam, these 12 imaams are only in Shia islam which came AFTER Mohammad pbuh passed and throughout the entire time Mohammad pbuh was alive, he never spoke of these 12 imaams.

The bible is talking about the 12 tribes of judea

The Bible deals with Sunni and Shiah differently. Both are mentioned though. But the main thing is it supports Muhammad.

 

[England my lionheart]

I’ll do this one now. Reflect on the possibility.

Genesis 17:20

And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

The Bible is a Book primarily about spiritual or religious events and occurrences.

God said the seed of Abraham would inherit the earth. That means spiritually. Muhammad was descended from Ishmael whom you might recall was sent into the desert because he was born to an Egyptian slave and Abraham’s wife became jealous. The desert was Arabia that he settled in.

That is where Muhammad was born. In Shiah Islam there are Twelve Imams which are the 12 princes that Ishmael would beget through his descendant Muhammad. And the great nation was Islam.

If one looks at the Holy Scriptures in this light it’s ‘possible’ that this explanation holds true. I believe it is very true.

You can look into the scriptures and see many things but it doesn’t make them true,for example Deedat and doctor naik saw things in the scriptures that were far fetched too and spread it around like Paraclete being muhammed Muhammad being mentioned in the Song of Songs still people believe what they want I guess.

 

[loverofhumanity]

You can look into the scriptures and see many things but it doesn’t make them true,for example Deedat and doctor naik saw things in the scriptures that were far fetched too and spread it around like Paraclete being muhammed Muhammad being mentioned in the Song of Songs still people believe what they want I guess.

Yes very true. We live in an age of unprecedented research and questioning and that is far healthier intellectually than all the spoon feeding we’ve had over the centuries. So healthy vigilance can be one’s best friend here.

It’s always best never to accept anything until it makes sense. But truth is somewhere out there.

 

[ppp]

Did they looses their minds?.

"Lose."
And yes.

Did they call a Fatwa to execute the director and actors?.

Did the Christian students offer a non-binding ruling on Islamic law? Um...did you think that question through?

Did they blow themself up?.

Not on my campus.

Or did they express their view and boycotted the film?

Sure. They expressed their views through protests, intimidation tactic, and vandalism of one of the theaters.

Please use the same language used when Islam is "Loosing their minds" in future.

"losing"

Fatwa Envy

"Fatwa envy is the term used for the phenomenon of people complaining that criticism of their religious or political beliefs is hypocritical, on the grounds that similar criticism would never be directed at Muslims for fear of violent reprisals..."

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I think proselytising religions only want to espouse it’s beauty and how wonderful it is,it’s amazing prophet,if a religion is perfect it should be able to withstand any criticism no matter how brutal should it not?.

That is what the Message if Muhammad was, for the peace and security of Humanity, it was naught but Love. A part of Love is the application of a Justice system.

It was the inability of mankind to rise to that level of submission that brought upon the resulting conflict, that Christianity also partook in.

There has been a campaign of misinformation about Muhammad by enemies since day one, so getting the truth now is close to impossible, except if one excepts there has been another Messenger after Muhammad.

That will be the only way to see Muhammad in the true Light of God.

That 1976 Movie was put together to try to portray Muhammad in the light of the best knowledge available. To attempt that now would be ludicrous, as the comments in this OP have shown, as the net has released more hatred and biases based on people that paint the Message of Muhammad in a darkness that it never was.

Regards Tony

 

[England my lionheart]

That is what the Message if Muhammad was, for the peace and security of Humanity, it was naught but Love. A part of Love is the application of a Justice system.

It was the inability of mankind to rise to that level of submission that brought upon the resulting conflict, that Christianity also partook in.

There has been a campaign of misinformation about Muhammad by enemies since day one, so getting the truth now is close to impossible, except if one excepts there has been another Messenger after Muhammad.

That will be the only way to see Muhammad in the true Light of God.

That 1976 Movie was put together to try to portray Muhammad in the light of the best knowledge available. To attempt that now would be ludicrous, as the comments in this OP have shown, as the net has released more hatred and biases based on people that paint the Message of Muhammad in a darkness that it never was.

Regards Tony

Forgive me if I don’t feel the love,Im not into being tortured repeatedly on the big bbq,the abrahmic religions were cruel,some are still in places,the application of a justice system,the Catholic Church had the inquisition,these justice systems from long ago stem from people with a different mindset to people today,the truth about the abrahmic religions will probably never be known.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

.....the truth about the abrahmic religions will probably never be known.

Luckily the Bible foretold that God would guide us to all Truth. I see that clarification of the past has now been made available, in the capacity of both science and faith.

This age of technology is not a coincidence, the Message of the Bab on the evening of May 23rd 1844 fulfilled that promise and released all knowledge.

On May 24th 1844, the very next day, the first Telegraph message was sent, opening the way to modern communications, the message sent on that day was 'What has God Wrought', taken from the Bible. (Got to love the way God gave us signs)

It is now up to is to embrace it in the Light given by God, and not use it to destroy humanity.

Regards Tony