Muhammad a pedophile? how?

[Salvador]

Yep! Plus getting little girls pregnant actually RAISES the infant mortality rates, - and the child mortality rates (dead child brides,) which actually makes the bad situation worse. So such are just excuses to rape little girls.

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I agree with you that pregnancy is far riskier for females who have just barely reached their puberty than for more mature females who are some few years into their adolescence years. Nowadays, I think pregnancy is an unnecessary risk for any female who has just become an adolescent. I believe that marriage should not be allowed for any female who is under the age of 12.

 

[Ingledsva]

I agree with you that pregnancy is far riskier for females who have just barely reached their puberty than for more mature females who are some few years into their adolescence years. Nowadays, I think pregnancy is an unnecessary risk for any female who has just become an adolescent. I believe that marriage should not be allowed for any female who is under the age of 12.

And I think it should be world law that you have to be 18, - and have graduated high school, - and signed a legal paper stating that the marriage is of your own FREE WILL, - before marriage licenses can be issued.

In other words help put a stop to the patriarchal misuse of young girls worldwide, - and get them educated!

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[Salvador]

And I think it should be world law that you have to be 18, - and have graduated high school, - and signed a legal paper stating that the marriage is of your own FREE WILL, - before marriage licenses can be issued.

In other words help put a stop to the patriarchal misuse of young girls worldwide, - and get them educated!

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I don't think all Islamic nations would agree that 18 should be the age of consent.

 

[Salvador]

The following video does a great job in explaining why early marriage is widely accepted in the Islamic world:

 

[Ingledsva]

The following video does a great job in explaining why early marriage is widely accepted in the Islamic world:

What a bunch of bunk, and the misuse of statements from the studies, - out of context.

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[Ingledsva]

I don't think all Islamic nations would agree that 18 should be the age of consent.

Of course not, - as they want them young and uneducated, - and locked into patriarchal marriage laws, - before they can realize they have other options.

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[Baladas]

Given the technical definition of "pedophile", if he was attracted to a girl who was only between 7 and 9-years-old then he was most definitely a pedophile.

 

[leibowde84]

Please correct certain facts:

From much few lines from wwwDOTmuhammadfactcheckDOTorg/?muhammad=prophet-muhammad-sa-married-ayesha-ra-when-she-was-underage
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For example, in New Hampshire, the legal age for girls is 13 with parental consent.[6] In Massachusetts, the legal age for girls is 12 with parental consent.[7] In Mississippi, there is no age minimum for girls, as long as there is parental consent.[8] In California, there is no age minimum for girls, as long as there is parental consent.[9]

Granted, the American state laws were passed in the 19th and 20th centuries—not today. And granted, American’s aged 12 or 13 do not typically get married today. The point still stands, however, that even in recent American history, American’s found value—not objection—in marrying at 12 or 13, or even younger, and passed laws through their state legislatures to affirm their value. This exercise in no way argues for a return to such marrying ages. Rather, it merely establishes the point that “appropriate” marriage age is based on social construct—not some supposed objective, advanced contemporary standard.

- See more at: Myth #3: Prophet Muhammad married Ayesha when she was underage | Muhammad Fact Check

" ......most historians report that Hadhrat Asmara, Hadhrat Ayesha’s elder sister, was ten years her senior.[15] The books, “Tahzibut Tahzib” and “Al-Bidaayah wa an-Nihayah,” both report that Hadhrat Asma died at the age of 100, in 73 A.H. or 695 A.D.[16] This means that Hadhrat Asmara must have been no younger than 27 at the time of emigration. Hadhrat Ayesha’s marriage to Prophet Muhammad was in 1 A.H. when Asma was 28. This means that at a minimum, Hadhrat Ayesha was 18 upon her consenting marriage to Prophet Muhammad."
- See more at: Myth #3: Prophet Muhammad married Ayesha when she was underage | Muhammad Fact Check

Again ... no illegality is necessary for someone to be considered a pedophile. It is a psychiatric term, not a legal one ... in this context of course. The definition has already been provided. Move on.

 

[Father Heathen]

back in the days of Muhammad, was there a law stating the age of concent? if not then how can we call him a pedophile for a crime that wasn't a crime back then? Just curious, and I don't know if there were any ages of concent back then or not...

It's not cultural norms or written law that establishes ethics and morality, but rather reason and compassion. Only a sick, dishonest mind would fail to see how raping a child (children cannot give informed consent) victimizes and harms them physically, mentally, and emotionally; a clear act of injustice and barbarity.

 

[Aquitaine]

Allah had made paradise for Adam and Eve; but since they disobeyed Allah, they were expelled out of the Garden of Paradise where they had perfect living conditions . God doesn't uplift living conditions for humans; because they had been disobedient and sinful against Allah. Furthermore, I believe that Allah wants to give everybody his own free will to improve living conditions here on Earth.

So Allah believes in collective punishment?
Condemning centuries of people to suffer high infant mortality, child rape, disease, famine etc - all because two individuals were a little disobedient to him?
Does that not sound like the traits of a petty and cruel god?

His final messenger event practiced child marriage, is it safe to assume that Allah was/is perfectly fine with that?

 

[Doug Shaver]

Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children, generally age 11 years or younger.

Pedophelia is a psychological disorder, not a crime. There are criminal statutes that outlaw it in most countries, but one certainly does not have to be in violation of the law to be considered a pedophile (someone who is sexually attracted to children who have not yet gone through puberty yet). So, I'm not sure why you have an issue with this. It is pretty clear that Muhammad was married to female children who fit into this category. Whether that practice was accepted in his culture doesn't effect this categorization in any way, as it is merely a psychological classification.

If someone tells me the Muhammad was pedophile, my first question is not, "What he really?" It's "Why should I care?"

 

[Ingledsva]

If someone tells me the Muhammad was pedophile, my first question is not, "What he really?" It's "Why should I care?"

So why did you bother replying to this thread?

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[Shad]

What a bunch of bunk, and the misuse of statements from the studies, - out of context.

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Relativism based defenses render Islam moot. If one takes this position why should I care about Allah's commands about morality? After all this defense has admitted Allah is fine with morals of humans during a certain times. It undermines the concept of God based morality by allowing human based morality as an exception which according to Allah is wrong. After all Allah would be telling us what is morally right or wrong if we couldn't figure it out for ourselves. Yet Allah has just done so and the video supports the idea. It also shows how subjective Allah can be and that Allah's moral code is based on a whim and an authoritarian position rather than reason. We do not make exceptions for other crimes based on relativism. There is no better way to show God based objective morality is false then by showing God accepting subjective morality of humans and showing the same type of human thinking within God.

 

[Doug Shaver]

So why did you bother replying to this thread?

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To make a point about epistemology. This is a religion forum. Muhammad is the ostensible founder of a major religion, and that is, presumably, the only reason anybody here has any interest in him. I think I have good reason not to believe any of the teachings attributed to him, but those reasons have nothing to do with his sex life.

 

[leibowde84]

If someone tells me the Muhammad was pedophile, my first question is not, "What he really?" It's "Why should I care?"

Are you a Muslim? Because, unless you are, I wouldn't expect it to matter to you.

 

[Doug Shaver]

Are you a Muslim? Because, unless you are, I wouldn't expect it to matter to you.

I have encountered quite a few non-Muslims to whom Muhammad's alleged pedophilia seems to matter a great deal, considering how vigorously they argue that the allegation must be true.

 

[leibowde84]

I have encountered quite a few non-Muslims to whom Muhammad's alleged pedophilia seems to matter a great deal, considering how vigorously they argue that the allegation must be true.

I think there is a pretty weak case for pedophilia. Possibly child molestation or abuse if he actually consummated the marriage when either girl was younger than 13. But, he had relations with his first wife who was older than he was, so I'm not sure there is reason to infer he was primarily attracted to children, which pedophilia signifies.

 

[NulliuSINverba]

For example, in New Hampshire, the legal age for girls is 13 with parental consent. In Massachusetts, the legal age for girls is 12 with parental consent. In Mississippi, there is no age minimum for girls, as long as there is parental consent. In California, there is no age minimum for girls, as long as there is parental consent.

So what we should take away from all of this is that pedophilia is a states' rights issue?

 

[Father Heathen]

If someone tells me the Muhammad was pedophile, my first question is not, "What he really?" It's "Why should I care?"

Because the act of raping a child reflects upon a person's honor, integrity, and character, not to mention the severe trauma and damage done to the victims? A rather important detail when regarding those who're considered religious and moral authorities.

 

[Doug Shaver]

Because the act of raping a child reflects upon a person's honor, integrity, and character, not to mention the severe trauma and damage done to the victims? A rather important detail when regarding those who're considered religious and moral authorities.

I don't think anyone ought to be regarded as a religious or moral authority, no matter how they act either in public or in private. The statements "You should believe everything this person says because he was righteous" and "You should not believe anything this person says because he was unrighteous" are equally nonsensical.