Muhammad's Sword !!!

[kai]

That's ok.:yes: I've oft strayed all the time. I'm hopeless at staying on the subject. Too many things are going around inside my head so it is hard to stand still for just one moment. That's what make life so interesting. Don't know where the next sentence will take me.

You've said:

some peolpe say that the english are different now than the scots and Irish because the scots and Irish were never under roman rule

What you said is true in that regards about the Scots and Irish, but you must also understand that the Romans have already left the British Isles before the English (Anglo-Saxons) arrived. The Celtic (Welsh-speaking) Britons were under Roman rule, yes; but not the English. They are two different people at that time. That's why I babbling in the previous post.

So maybe you should use different names to what you were referring to.

well lets stray a little longer, maybe i should not have used the word english or should i ? is it right to call us english now? how about the danelaw and the norman conquest perhaps we are not truly english per say but we call ourselves english anyway

 

[TashaN]

the truth your links provide a powerful argument for the basis that Islam was not spread by the sword ....but... this argument bends the facts to suit its own argument, lets agree that muslim armies didnt descend upon foreign lands and offer them Islam or death. but lets also agree that the muslim armies did descend and stayed for hundreds of years in some cases over a thousand years in syria or egypt up until the Ottomans well into the 20th century is it any wonder that these countries and their populations are muslim, this doesnt insult or belittle Islam in any way on the contrary the great empires of Islam were incredible.

And all Muslims are indeed proud of their history.

can you see my point did not Roman catholicism come with the spanish and Portugese empires in south America , or the French, did not the protestant version of christianity come with the Dutch or British?

islam came with the Ubayyids,Abbasid, Ottoman and Mogul

I can see where you are coming from but I believe that Islam was completed the day Prophet Mohammed said so in his last ceremony before he pass away based on this verse:

[3]... This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion ... (Quran 5:3)

I have a very good article for you and it's a sort of self-criticism. I don't agree about everything in it but it's a good thing to have it in here with us to read.

It's originally an Arabic article by an Arabian writer, and I read it before two days in the newspaper and I would love to share it with all of you.

 

[TashaN]

In defending the Prophet of Islam ​

Something nice and good from the Muslims to be enraged in the face of insults to Islam’s prophet, Mohammed, blessings and peace be upon him. They are insulting nations when they insult or have fun of their prophet, religion, culture, insulting is rejected even though it was directed at anything, How the case when it is directed at a great prophet, even by non-believers, and at nations who happen to be part of mankind at the end of the day, even though it comes from some of its members, acts against humanity. ​

The defense of the Prophet and his message is a duty; there is no doubt about that.

But the question is how to defend? Try persuasion that there is a difference between the religion of Islam and what is done by a few who belong to this religion is not feasible, as long as unacceptable acts continue, As long as the hate is stable in the hearts, As long as the culture of death is dominant in the minds of “some” explicitly, and in the minds of everyone’s thoughts. The massive demonstrations, the acts of violence and reprisals, demanding the public apologies, expressing remorse and regret do not do anyone any good, but perhaps, it leads to more hatred, but this is what is happening already. It is obvious after all tumultuous demonstration or act of violence, entrenches in the minds of “some” other, that there is no hope of Muslims and their religion and culture: They are just a magnitude of human fanatics, those who used to reject everything that is a non-Muslim in this world, and even hating themselves.
Do you not see how they kill each other everywhere? And chopping off each other’s heads at all times? As for Islam, It is a religion of violence and Sword, there is no room for freedom or choice in the formation and teachings, either be the sole dominant religion in this world, or it’s the war on everything else.

This is the prevailing impression of Islam and Muslims in the mind of the “public” in the world today, and they are those who consider nothing but the apparent. Apparently, in the case of Islam and Muslims today there is nothing to be proud of in any way.

Yes, demonstrations and acts of violence by some could lead the others to apologize, or call people not to provoke the feelings of Muslims, which is provocative without further provocation, but, will all of this change what have been perceived in the soul and settled in the hearts of hate and fear? That is the question, and the answer to adopt effective means to defend the prophet of Islam.Pope has apologized for the quotations about Islam and its Prophet, although he announced that citation does not reflect his personal view, and, Danish people also apologized for those cartoon drawings. But is that such apologies erased certain convictions about Islam and Muslims? It’s good that the Pope has apologized or this or that of the Countries, but is Islam more acceptable then, or the revulsion of his followers has increased in the hearts of the elite? most apparently, the revulsion became more than ever before, and seeing a Muslim anywhere place the fear in them, despite the attempt to defend by saying that there was no relationship between Islam and it’s teachings by what some Muslims might under the pretext of defending Islam and the Prophet. A Muslimأ in the eyes of many of people today is the physical incarnation of all horrible qualities: it is the embodiment of terrorism, violence and intolerance and rejection of all other shared beliefs. .Islam in the eyes of many is the very antithesis of civilization and the natural civic life; it holds the components of the culture of death everywhere, and at every community stay at, as the black plague in medieval Europe.

This is the perception of Islam and Muslims in most parts of earth, and if we tried to say otherwise, People who have nothing except visible acts, the acts of violence, killing and bloodshed. Although it was committed only by few Muslims, But the bad Apple spoils the rest of Apples in the basket.

And, as long as the people have nothing but apparent, the situation can not be changed while having this apparent but by another tangible apparent, worthy and more effective..If the violence and blood are the other face of Islam and the Muslims for some, the hidden side of Islam is to be returned to the front, the highlights, Through behavior but not just saying, and I mean that the moral and value system.

When talking about Islam, whether by the adherents or by non-adherents. It is often reduced to a doctrine and law, the ethical aspect of the religion is neglected often, in words and behavior, As Sheikh Mohammad Abdo commented on his trip to Europe when he found there Islam without Muslims (he meant the general behavior of non-Muslims in Europe which is very Islamic in his opinion), while Muslims here are without Islam (by not following it’s teaching). Although the Meccan verses from the Koran (referring to the verses which was revealed while prophet Mohammed was in Mecca) are almost all focused on ethics and conduct and how to deal with the others as human beings before anything else, However, we find some people summarizes the book of the Lord to a few selected verses which was revealed in Medina which have it’s own circumstances and the reasons for it descends, But detailing the circumstances and reasons, becomes applicable to each case and any case, The result is a distortion of the whole message.

Despite the fact that Islam calls for mastery of work for example, we find some Muslims from the most people spoilage of work, although they read the book of God five times a day. Although Islam encourages the request of science, even in China (referring to far places), we find that the Muslims are the most who have fear of science and its achievements in the world today. Despite the fact that Islam promotes freedom of choice, however, the Muslim of today is the most intolerant and rejection of the others, fear and mistrust in them.

The Prophet of Islam has endured all kinds of harm in Mecca, but he was patient and he forgave them at the end, No change of morality, but remained on great behavior, as described by God, and he was praying for his people saying: «God Forgive my people, they do not know».

Prophet Mohammed .Prophetpp has gained hearts through his morals, before opening the countries by his sword, and here lies the secret to the survival of any Message in the history. Jesus Christ fought the Children of Israel by Morality alone. Through saying “Turn the other check”, so he was the immortal at the end. Gandhi fought colonialism by morality, India liberalized and the history immortalized Mahatma in the hearts of people before he was immortalized in its pages. The illiterate prophet (Mohammed) was saying: «I was not sent but to fulfill the best morals (leading it to perfection)», expressing the essence of the message that some summarizes it after him into sword and killing, blood and rolled heads.

Behavior alone could change the image of the current Muslim, not only in order to gain the hearts of others, but representing the marginalized ethical and morals of the message of Islam. Who ever wants to believe so let him to believe and who so ever wants to disbelieve so let him be, God is ultimately the Governor among the people. On this basis, should be the relationship between them.

 

[gnostic]

well lets stray a little longer, maybe i should not have used the word english or should i ? is it right to call us english now? how about the danelaw and the norman conquest perhaps we are not truly english per say but we call ourselves english anyway

The point is that the Romans had never ruled the English, which are the Angles and Saxons. The English arrived at least half century after the Romans left Britain.

So yes, you are incorrect to use "English". The Dane Vikings (Danelaw) and Normans arrived at different time, also have nothing to do with the previous Roman empire, so bringing them up is pointless, don't you think?

You are incorrect that the Romans didn't rule the Irish and Scots, but you are incorrect that the Romans didn't venture into the Highland in what is Scotland that were inhabited by the Caledonians or the Picts, between 74 and 84 CE; but the Romans withdrew the following year (85 CE). The Scots, Irish invaders didn't colonise the Argyll, until sometime in the 5th century CE. So in essence, the Scots arrival were after Roman time too.

 

[kai]

The point is that the Romans had never ruled the English, which are the Angles and Saxons. The English arrived at least half century after the Romans left Britain.

So yes, you are incorrect to use "English". The Dane Vikings (Danelaw) and Normans arrived at different time, also have nothing to do with the previous Roman empire, so bringing them up is pointless, don't you think?

You are incorrect that the Romans didn't rule the Irish and Scots, but you are incorrect that the Romans didn't venture into the Highland in what is Scotland that were inhabited by the Caledonians or the Picts, between 74 and 84 CE; but the Romans withdrew the following year (85 CE). The Scots, Irish invaders didn't colonise the Argyll, until sometime in the 5th century CE. So in essence, the Scots arrival were after Roman time too.

gnostic i will start another thread because we are hijacking the Truths and you are not getting my point

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40590

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

the U.S. could, if it chose to, militarily take over just about any country in the world, and add that country's resources and land mass to our own, but we do not do so.

I found a link of this thread in one of Kai's debates, and while reading; I came across this particular sentence wich made me wholeheartly smile, so I wanted to write it down lol