Murders vs Electoral Map

[Neo Deist]

Now that we are beyond attacking the messenger and trying to split hairs/spin the results, let's get back to the OP topic.

 

[Quetzal]

You are still missing the per 100,000 population element. Smaller cities that are also heavy Democrat have the same outcome.

Come on, stop moving the goal posts. I am giving you a lot of liberties here and you are still falling short. The data doesn't support your theory unless you pigeon hole it to only include metropolitan cities. Sorry but those are the facts. Period.

 

[Quetzal]

By the way, just a reminder, my position is that governing parties on the local/state level do not have a direct, sole correlation in either direction (democratic or republican).

 

[Neo Deist]

By the way, just a reminder, my position is that governing parties on the local/state level do not have a direct, sole correlation in either direction (democratic or republican).

Here is an article for you to read: http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/263495/curse-violent-crime-democrat-run-cities-discover-networks

It talks about NYC and how it went from high crime to low crime, per capita. Care to guess how that transition happened before reading the article?

 

[Quetzal]

Here is an article for you to read: http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/263495/curse-violent-crime-democrat-run-cities-discover-networks

It talks about NYC and how it went from high crime to low crime, per capita. Care to guess how that transition happened before reading the article?

What's funny is your own OP source disproves your articles premise about NYC. NYC began its drop in crime in 1990. Four years before Giuliani and while NYC's governor was a democrat. I appreciate you making my point for me.

 

[suncowiam]

This is NOT taken from some of those fake maps that have been circulating around. Instead, this is taken from the FBI's crime stats and the listing is for the top 25 cities for murders in the US (per 100,000 people), for the year of 2015. That data is then compared to how a majority of the people in those cities voted in the 2016 election. Feel free to Google city murder rates and then compare that to city elections. Here we go...

In no particular order:

Birmingham, AL - Democrat
Philadelphia, PA - Democrat
Newark, NJ - Democrat
Dayton, OH - Democrat (but only by a small margin)
Atlanta, GA - Democrat
Cleveland, OH - Democrat
Little Rock, AR - Democrat
Jackson, MS - Democrat
Baton Rouge, LA - Democrat (but only by a small margin)
Milwaukee, WI - Democrat
Memphis, TN - Democrat
Stockton, CA - Democrat
Cleveland, OH - Democrat
Oakland, CA - Democrat
Bridgeport, CT - Democrat
Buffalo, NY - Democrat
Baltimore, MD - Democrat
St. Louis, MO - Democrat
New Orleans, LA - Democrat
Minneapolis, MN - Democrat
Cincinnati, OH - Democrat (but only by a small margin)
Detroit, MI - Democrat
New Haven, CT - Democrat
Kansas City, MO - Democrat
Flint, MI - Democrat
Hartford, CT - Democrat

(dis)Honorable mentions:

Miami, FL - Democrat
Los Angeles, CA - Democrat
Chicago, IL - Democrat
Houston, TX - Democrat (but only by a small margin)
New York, NY - Democrat

The data shows that the highest murder rates are in cities that are predominantly Democrat in political affiliation. The question is, why? Let the theories begin...

Are you seriously suggesting Democrats are murderers?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I'm just going by what you said:

Okay. Let's pretend that there is some actual causation between being liberal and being a murderer. As in being liberal causes someone to murder people.

I'd say that it is not "being a liberal" but voting democrat a majority of the time.

If you meant something other than what you wrote, feel free to correct yourself.

 

[Neo Deist]

What's funny is your own OP source disproves your articles premise about NYC. NYC began its drop in crime in 1990. Four years before Giuliani and while NYC's governor was a democrat. I appreciate you making my point for me.

You missed the point of the article.

 

[Neo Deist]

Are you seriously suggesting Democrats are murderers?

Reading comprehension goes a long way.

 

[suncowiam]

Reading comprehension goes a long way.

Oh ok, so you don't place a conclusion in your thesis and assume others should understand your point. And now you blame others for their confusion.

Great way to start a conversation. Wanna try again or should we just even end it before it starts?

 

[Quetzal]

You missed the point of the article.

Nonsense. From YOUR article.

Republican Rudolph Giuliani replaced Dinkins as mayor in 1994 and quickly transformed New York into the safest big city in America.

This is completely false and the very data you presented proves it. It was already being transformed before Giuliani got there. Of course he continued the tradition that began with the democratic mayor, which is great! But the premise of the article and your statement is false. You are getting cornered by your own sources.

 

[Neo Deist]

Oh ok, so you don't place a conclusion in your thesis and assume others should understand your point. And now you blame others for their confusion.

Great way to start a conversation. Wanna try again or should we just even end it before it starts?

Considering your post is #151, I think you are a little late to the party. But feel free to jump in there with some reasons for the coincidence.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Just as true today as it has has been in the past.

I'll agree with that.

 

[shmogie]

Still waiting for you to present a fact.
Or are you saying the post you quoted was the fact?

Still waiting for you to present a fact.
Or are you saying the post you quoted was the fact?

Damn liberals and their damn generalizations about non-liberals...

Meh...whatever. I don't have a horse in the race so I should just drop it.
I'd suggest at some point the partisanship and 'rah team' crap needs to be replaced by open discourse and some level of unity. Because if you're truly worried about 'The Republic', that's long overdue.

I agree, but the liberal mind is always we are totally right, and the end justifies the means to bring about their vision. Until they are cured of this, they will never seek compromise, never agree that others might have some valid points, never concede that others have visions that are as humane as theirs. Part of the cure for them is to be continually reminded of their repudiation, and the total failure of the last 8 years. Once humbled, and accepting reality, perhaps the unity we truly need can be achieved.

 

[shmogie]

Look at the economy and demographics of the states in your survey, correlations ?

 

[Quetzal]

The generalizations in this thread have exceed reason. Maybe next time.

 

[Neo Deist]

Higher populations of blacks. Blacks vote dem overwhelmingly.

I thought about that too, but was going to let someone else say it after drawing the same conclusion. Blacks make up ~13% of the US population (US Census Bureau - 2015), but account for half the murders in the US each year (FBI UCR stats - any given year). Those numbers are disproportionate vs the rest of the population. Most of those murders are black on black (inner city gangs, drugs, etc.).

Now, let me go ahead and cut off anyone even thinking about throwing the "racist card" out there. For starters, being a racist means that you hate someone else for racial reasons. I don't hate anyone. Furthermore, not every black is a gang banging murderer. In fact, most are good people that are just stuck in life. Don't hate me for quoting statistics. It is what it is.

But I don't think we can blame just blacks for the "coincidence." There has to be more to it than that. Any other theories?

These were posted on page 3. This is the link that others are not getting , refuse to admit, or are simply oblivious to.

As a cop in the inner city, I see this type of lifestyle every single day. As a CSI, I am the one that is collecting the evidence and taking the pictures from these crime scenes. This is repeated almost daily. The good, law abiding citizens that happen to be black and stuck in those areas need help. Mayors, city council members and others that are Democrat and have been in power for decades use those people as political slaves. They are expected to vote Democrat, even though many of them have conservative values. They are taught that the white Republican is the spawn of Satan, and that only Democrats will protect government assistance programs, which unfortunately, so many inner city blacks rely on. For many of them, the "free ride" has become a way of life. The thing is that those assistance programs aren't going anywhere. Anyone with half a brain knows that it would decimate large groups of people to suddenly have those programs yanked out from under them, but the inner city people that rely on them are fed fears of Republicans doing just that.

That is what I meant in another reply that people can vote Democrat without being liberal, when in fact they may actually be conservative.

My hope is that one day those people will rise up and vote according to their values/beliefs and displace the Democrats that have done little for them, year after year. Vote for the candidate that best matches your beliefs; party be damned.

 

[Quintessence]

I am not going to do anything about it. I don't live in any of those cities. As a matter of fact, my little town was just ranked #1 safest city in the state.

Okay. If you aren't going to do anything about it, what's the point of telling this story? What purpose does it serve? Have you considered what other people might do in response to this story? Do you take responsibility for how the stories you tell can influence the actions of others?

 

[shmogie]

These were posted on page 3. This is the link that others are not getting , refuse to admit, or are simply oblivious to.

As a cop in the inner city, I see this type of lifestyle every single day. As a CSI, I am the one that is collecting the evidence and taking the pictures from these crime scenes. This is repeated almost daily. The good, law abiding citizens that happen to be black and stuck in those areas need help. Mayors, city council members and others that are Democrat and have been in power for decades use those people as political slaves. They are expected to vote Democrat, even though many of them have conservative values. They are taught that the white Republican is the spawn of Satan, and that only Democrats will protect government assistance programs, which unfortunately, so many inner city blacks rely on. For many of them, the "free ride" has become a way of life. The thing is that those assistance programs aren't going anywhere. Anyone with half a brain knows that it would decimate large groups of people to suddenly have those programs yanked out from under them, but the inner city people that rely on them are fed fears of Republicans doing just that
That is what I meant in another reply that people can vote Democrat without being liberal, when in fact they may actually be conservative.

My hope is that one day those people will rise up and vote according to their values/beliefs and displace the Democrats that have done little for them, year after year. Vote for the candidate that best matches your beliefs; party be damned.

Well spoken Brother/Sister. We know how it is by experience. I agree wholeheartedly with your last paragraph. I hope too that they can find and achieve true freedom.

 

[Neo Deist]

Okay. If you aren't going to do anything about it, what's the point of telling this story? What purpose does it serve? Have you considered what other people might do in response to this story? Do you take responsibility for how the stories you tell can influence the actions of others?

Freedom of speech.

Does the media take responsibility for the stories that are told? Does it care how those stories affect others? What purpose does the media serve when it comes to someone's personal life being put on display for the public to see?