Murders vs Electoral Map

[Neo Deist]

I do find it interesting that you have narrowed your search in such a way that it presents the conclusion you want. That is the primary protest of many people here. The only way the data presents this possibility is if you limit it to large urban centers. If you begin to narrow it by small urban centers, by state or my political region it tells a very different story. Wanna guess which states have the highest murder rate in 2015 and how they voted? Don't bother, I have you covered:

By the very same website you cited I simply expanded the scope to state and would you look at that. I even used the same ratio (per 100,000 people). But you don't want to talk about this. Why? Because now, all of a sudden, the political bias has shifted in favor for the party you are seeking to demonize. I can sit here and play with this data to get any conclusion I want. Bottom line? This OP is a lazy attempt to polarize a discussion under the guise of something better. Thankfully, most posters here have seen through it.

You are missing a critical element in your chart when you go to the state level. The demographics of those committing murder in those states, and the locations that those murders are being committed.. That data will take us right back to square one of the OP.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Oh good grief...

The listing for the top 25 cities for murder with a population over 100,000 for 2015.
The fact that all of those cities voted majority Democrat in the 2016 election.

That is a HUGE coincidence. What is the link(s)?

Food trucks. It has to be food trucks.

How often do you see food trucks out in the Republican heartland?

Edit: In those Democratic crime-filled hellholes, you can't swing a cat without hitting a food truck festival or a bunch of hipsters in line at a food truck.

Am I right or am I right?

 

[Neo Deist]

Food trucks. It has to be food trucks.

How often do you see food trucks out in the Republican heartland?

Well there is this awesome taco/burrito truck that comes to my area quite a bit. They have awesome food!

 

[Quetzal]

You are missing a critical element in your chart when you go to the state level. The demographics of those committing murder in those states. Find that data...it is located in the FBI UCRs.

As of 2015, the states that have the highest murder rates are prodominently republican. Facts are FACTS!

 

[columbus]

Well there is this awesome taco/burrito truck that comes to my area quite a bit. They have awesome food!

Are you saying that based on an anecdote we should eliminate food trucks as a source of murder?
Tom

 

[Quintessence]

Okay. Let's pretend that there is some actual causation between being liberal and being a murderer. As in being liberal causes someone to murder people. Setting aside that this is a load of complete horse $#@%, let's ask a question.

Now what? What are you going to do about it?

 

[Neo Deist]

As of 2015, the states that have the highest murder rates are prodominently republican. Facts are FACTS!

Yes, but the murders are being committed in predominantly Democrat based cities. Facts are Facts, especially when you look at all of them and know how to interpret the data.

 

[Quetzal]

Yes, but...

NO BUTS! Also, the highest rated city is New York City and yet NY state didn't make the top 15. Interesting, right? Facts are facts!

 

[Neo Deist]

Okay. Let's pretend that there is some actual causation between being liberal and being a murderer. As in being liberal causes someone to murder people. Setting aside that this is a load of complete horse $#@%, let's ask a question.

Now what? What are you going to do about it?

I'd say that it is not "being a liberal" but voting democrat a majority of the time. Someone can be an ultra conservative but still vote democrat.

 

[columbus]

Someone can be an ultra conservative but still vote democrat.

That would be me. I am so conservative I appear liberal to the naked eye.
For example, I think everyone should get married and stay that way.
Even gay people.
And I think the government should help accomplish Jesus's Message with tax dollars, like nutrition and healthcare and housing.

Tom

 

[Neo Deist]

NO BUTS! Also, the highest rated city is New York City and yet NY state didn't make the top 15. Interesting, right? Facts are facts!

Let's use Alabama for example. That state always goes to the Republicans by a large percentage. However, there are a few cities that make up a bulk of the violent crime of murder for the state: Birmingham, Montgomery, Mobile. Those cities are heavy Democrat in an otherwise Republican state.

 

[Neo Deist]

That would be me. I am so conservative I appear liberal to the naked eye.
For example, I think everyone should get married and stay that way.
Even gay people.
And I think the government should help accomplish Jesus's Message with tax dollars, like nutrition and healthcare and housing.

Tom

One of my co-workers is an ultra conservative but always votes democrat. I asked him why. His answer, "I am black...I am supposed to vote that way."

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I'd say that it is not "being a liberal" but voting democrat a majority of the time. Someone can be an ultra conservative but still vote democrat.

So you ARE saying that voting Democrat causes someone to murder people.

Why would this effect only manifest itself in districts where the Democrats win? There are lots of Democrats everywhere.

 

[columbus]

One of my co-workers is an ultra conservative but always votes democrat. I asked him why. His answer, "I am black...I am supposed to vote that way."

You realise he had you pegged and drenched you in sarcasm, right?
Tom

 

[Quetzal]

Let's use Alabama for example. That state always goes to the Republicans by a large percentage. However, there are a few cities that make up a bulk of the violent crime of murder for the state: Birmingham, Montgomery, Mobile. Those cities are heavy Democrat in an otherwise Republican state.

YES! Let's! Your numbers still don't add up. If we assume that all murders in those three cities are committed/influenced by Democrats (which they aren't), they still fall under 50%.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Let's use Alabama for example. That state always goes to the Republicans by a large percentage. However, there are a few cities that make up a bulk of the violent crime of murder for the state: Birmingham, Montgomery, Mobile. Those cities are heavy Democrat in an otherwise Republican state.

If we don't see the same effects in areas where the city and its suburbs are Democrat, then I think the answer is clear: it's the Republicans.

Republican commuters, specifically.

Armed Republicans are so enraged by their commutes from the suburbs (exacerbated by neglect of the highway system by Republican state legislatures) that they're lashing out and murdering people.

 

[Quintessence]

I'd say that it is not "being a liberal" but voting democrat a majority of the time. Someone can be an ultra conservative but still vote democrat.

That's not answering the question.

Now what? What are you going to do about it?

If you are going to spout nonsense rhetoric like this, at least think about where it leads. Think about the consequences of your belief.

 

[Neo Deist]

So you ARE saying that voting Democrat causes someone to murder people.

 

[Neo Deist]

YES! Let's! Your numbers still don't add up. If we assume that all murders in those three cities are committed/influenced by Democrats (which they aren't), they still fall under 50%.

You are still missing the per 100,000 population element. Smaller cities that are also heavy Democrat have the same outcome.

 

[Neo Deist]

That's not answering the question.

Now what? What are you going to do about it?

If you are going to spout nonsense rhetoric like this, at least think about where it leads. Think about the consequences of your belief.

I am not going to do anything about it. I don't live in any of those cities. As a matter of fact, my little town was just ranked #1 safest city in the state.