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Murugan worshippers here?
- Thread starter Shrew
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I just follow what our local temple is doing. Not sure which panchang they use. I'm not very familiar with the Tamil months either.
http://www.hindu-blog.com/2009/10/skanda-sashti-2009.html
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
The Shastra that you are mentioning must have been written prior to the change of calendar. Precession of Equinoxes at work.
User14
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Maybe count me in too....I like what I've seen so far in Murugan bhakti.
Bhakti is a very prominent aspect among Muruga-Skanda devotees. In fact, such devotees strongly share the same sentiments of Krishna devotees, including the prema leela between Murugan and his girlfriend Valli, the Murugan Valli Romance:
But having pointed this out, this Bhakti is very strong, many devotees engage in Murugan Kavadi:
I have "approximated" kavadi - but no pins or lances. Many of these devotees are pretty brave as far as the idea of some bit of pain. It actually isn't so painful, but no pins or lances for me because I am worried about infection from dirty pins or lances. But otherwise, it is something to parade along with.
But having pointed this out, this Bhakti is very strong, many devotees engage in Murugan Kavadi:
I have "approximated" kavadi - but no pins or lances. Many of these devotees are pretty brave as far as the idea of some bit of pain. It actually isn't so painful, but no pins or lances for me because I am worried about infection from dirty pins or lances. But otherwise, it is something to parade along with.
The answer IMHO is a resounding YES. But I will let Aup and Vinayaka give their details and opinions or teachings, they may even get mad at me, but I will tell you what I see but I am a bit lazy right now but I will give a "10,000 feet view".
Murugan has two consorts, Devasena and Valli.
Actually think of Valli as His girlfriend.
Now in the wedding of Devasena you will see both Shiva and Vishnu - and many others - it is quite beautiful, one of the great moments in all of many Universal History. You should do some more bhakti and research regarding that moment, and there is great art associated with it's depiction which is quite remarkable.
Now let us talk about Valli in context with Devi...
... you will notice Valli in art is most often Green. Like Krishna is Blue, so this Devi is Green.
You will see other Goddess also Green, sometimes Parvati is Green in South India, Valli, the Goddess of Madurai or called Meenakshi, others.
Now some may get angry with what I am about to say. This is a Devi, a Devi Force, She is electric in Power, She is a Green Goddess, She may manifest in Devis, She may be the emotion of Parvati in a moment in Time, and yes, She is a Devi tradition of South India of electric Shakti, and this Green Goddess is absolutely Real. She can and will also steal yotr heart away.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
They were not entitled to it, being in human form. The privilege is only for the Gods and Goddesses.
About the matter discussed in the post above - I would say 'no'. Murugan is worshiped by many as a ascetic, giver of wisdom - Kumara or Kumaraswami (the bachelor God). Sort of, his destined work was done after helping the Gods to defeat the Asuras, then austerities (tapas) only.
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Yes, generally called Amman, the more general term, but at least in my experience its most likely to be Durga, or as the Tamils spell it Thurka. There is a nice little Thurka Amman temple in Vancouver, for instance. However, its not associated directly with Murugan, or His consorts. It is rare to see separate shrines to Valli or Devasena whereas Amman as some form of the consort of Shiva, is commonly seen alone.
The Madurai Meenakshi temple was originally a Siva temple, and all the large shrine to Meenakshi came separately.
Murugan as renunciate is really just big at Palani, but you do see Palaniandavar murthis quite a lot. It's more associated with kavadi than many of the other temples.
Shrew
Active Member
Sorry for the question out of context but why are goddesses called Amman when the word for mother is just Amma?
This always puzzles me but I don't want to open an extra thread for the question, so when someone knows please enlighten me.
Sorry for the question out of context but why are goddesses called Amman when the word for mother is just Amma?
This always puzzles me but I don't want to open an extra thread for the question, so when someone knows please enlighten me.
Not sure. A Tamil speaker would know better. I believe that the n is added from dialect. Siva becomes or can also be Sivan, Muruga becomes or can also be Murugan, Kumara becomes Kumaran, etc. Not really sure though. I just bungle along. Doesn't apply to all words ending is 'a' though as I've never heard of Thurkan.
Yeah, my Tamil friend calls Shiva Shivam. It's just how they say things in that language.
As for the Devi side of Murugan worship yeah, it's there. I've been to a big two-week festival where Subramanium and the Shaktis Valli and Devani are separated, and the energy builds and builds while they're apart until they're reunited at the end in a massive puja.
As for the Devi side of Murugan worship yeah, it's there. I've been to a big two-week festival where Subramanium and the Shaktis Valli and Devani are separated, and the energy builds and builds while they're apart until they're reunited at the end in a massive puja.
That6 must be the wedding puja? They do that here too.
They don't call it that but yeah, it'll be that. It's called the Subramanium Festival for the whole 2 week or so affair, then that final puja's the Reunion.
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Then I don't think its the same. The wedding puja is just a separate puja that can be performed any time. it's a big deal for some folk, not so much for others. Here, they attached it to the end of the annual festival, but it has nothing to do with the festival. That ends with the flag lowering and then Bhairava Puja. It's just a convenient time for it, as many pilgrims are present already.
Then I don't think its the same. The wedding puja is just a separate puja that can be performed any time. it's a big deal for some folk, not so much for others. Here, they attached it to the end of the annual festival, but it has nothing to do with the festival. That ends with the flag lowering and then Bhairava Puja. It's just a convenient time for it, as many pilgrims are present already.
Ah OK, yeah a different thing then. Woah, there's variation in this Hinduism thing, huh?
Indeed, from temple to temple. A priest trained two blocks away from another will see it somewhat differently. I love it.
For the vast majority, they chant what Guru taught them. That's a lot of chants, I'm a way off knowing them all yet. So I wouldn't know if it is in line with a particular set of written guidelines or not - it may well be!