Muslim Reform Movement

[leibowde84]

Israelis are not all Jews who wear religious dresscode lol. Why are you generalising? Racist much?

Weapons? Here they are.

Israeli kids writing messages on rockets that are ready to launch:

You 'adults' can talk sh!t all day about how bad muslims or Islaam is. That does not change the crimes you people have commited and still are commiting. And as i said before, the Truth will always come out. You can hide it, blame others but it will come out.

So, Hammas doesn't target Israelies? Seems like a very biased view, as both sides are clearly blame-worthy.

 

[Useless2015]

Source? Surely you don't think I'm going to take your word for it that he said that.

He called the political movement “the destructive attempt toward God’s plan,” and “the envy of the Devil.” He also said that gay adoption is a form of discrimination against children: “At stake are the lives of so many children who will be discriminated against in advance, depriving them of the human maturation that God wanted to be given with a father and a mother.”

http://qz.com/516655/confused-about-the-popes-thoughts-on-gay-rights-no-wonder/

Why should it?

Can't argue with that lol..

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

He called the political movement “the destructive attempt toward God’s plan,” and “the envy of the Devil.” He also said that gay adoption is a form of discrimination against children: “At stake are the lives of so many children who will be discriminated against in advance, depriving them of the human maturation that God wanted to be given with a father and a mother.”

http://qz.com/516655/confused-about-the-popes-thoughts-on-gay-rights-no-wonder/

I disagree with the Pope there, but it's not exactly a surprise that he's jumping back and forth between both sides of the fence, as unfortunate as that is.

 

[Useless2015]

This is the idea that scares a lot of people. That Muslims might not be willing to act in the interest of the secular community and are stubborn in refusing to "reform" their beliefs, putting so much faith in a book that, to them, was written by an imperfect historical figure. If you refuse to explain this to them, you should expect certain forms of prejudice based on fear.

Majority of muslims worldwide want Sharia as their law. Why are you insisting your personal conviction(secularism) on others? If you don't like it, thats too bad. Thats how freedom works right?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Majority of muslims worldwide want Sharia as their law. Why are you insisting your personal conviction(secularism) on others? If you don't like it, thats too bad. Thats how freedom works right?

Then please move to a Muslim country and stop complaining about the West and our secularism. The Islamic State will welcome you. You get all the sex slaves you want and get to throw as many gays off of buildings as you like, among many other priceless pleasures.

 

[leibowde84]

Majority of muslims worldwide want Sharia as their law. Why are you insisting your personal conviction(secularism) on others? If you don't like it, thats too bad. Thats how freedom works right?

That's all well and good, as long as they aren't trying to live in secular countries. It is completely absurd for them to expect to migrate to countries that adhere to secular law without having to adhere to those laws themselves. They can't have it both ways. If they would like to relocate to the US, for example, they should be ready and willing to adhere to US Law first and foremost. That is the social contract we all live under here.

 

[leibowde84]

Majority of muslims worldwide want Sharia as their law. Why are you insisting your personal conviction(secularism) on others? If you don't like it, thats too bad. Thats how freedom works right?

In other words, no one has the right to ignore the laws of their land in the interest of adhering to their religious beliefs. Allowing that is not a reasonable possibility.

 

[Useless2015]

So, Hammas doesn't target Israelies? Seems like a very biased view, as both sides are clearly blame-worthy.

Hamas is a resistance movement against the occupying, terrorism of the Israelis. Its nearly identical to the resistance in Europe against the Nazi's. Nothing wrong with resisting tyranny, its heroic.

 

[leibowde84]

Hamas is a resistance movement against the occupying, terrorism of the Israelis. Its nearly identical to the resistance in Europe against the Nazi's. Nothing wrong with resisting tyranny, its heroic.

The resistance movements during WWII didn't target innocent civilians, like Hamas does. So, that is an irrelevant example.

 

[Useless2015]

Then please move to a Muslim country and stop complaining about the West and our secularism. The Islamic State will welcome you. You get all the sex slaves you want and get to throw as many gays off of buildings as you like, among many other priceless pleasures.

I am not a supporter of ISIS, i told you this 50 times now.

 

[leibowde84]

I am not a supporter of ISIS, i told you this 50 times now.

But, you are a supporter of some kind of caliphate being created, right? Or do you expect Muslims to be exempted from adhering to secular law merely because they claim certain religious beliefs?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Hamas is a resistance movement against the occupying, terrorism of the Israelis. Its nearly identical to the resistance in Europe against the Nazi's. Nothing wrong with resisting tyranny, its heroic.

Except that Hitler had a liking for Islam and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem allied himself with the Nazis and wanted the Nazis to take care of the Jews in Mandatory Palestine for the Muslims (i.e. kill them all). Please stop being so hilariously ironic.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I am not a supporter of ISIS, i told you this 50 times now.

Quibble over the details all you like, but the mentality is the same.

 

[Useless2015]

The resistance movements during WWII didn't target innocent civilians, like Hamas does. So, that is an irrelevant example.

Hamas targets Israeli military and if some citizens get killed or hurt in the process, well its unintentional

 

[Useless2015]

That's all well and good, as long as they aren't trying to live in secular countries. It is completely absurd for them to expect to migrate to countries that adhere to secular law without having to adhere to those laws themselves. They can't have it both ways. If they would like to relocate to the US, for example, they should be ready and willing to adhere to US Law first and foremost. That is the social contract we all live under here.

Are there any muslims trying to change the laws in your country?

 

[Erebus]

Its not extra taxes, its taxes for security to practice their faith without being disturbed or discriminated.

Interesting.
Us Westerners have a term for that. We call it a protection racket.


To get back on topic though, the Muslim Reform Movement sounds like a good idea. I sincerely hope it gains traction among Muslims. I have to admit though, I fear it won't.

 

[leibowde84]

Hamas targets Israeli military and if some citizens get killed or hurt in the process, well its unintentional

Wow ... I didn't know it was possible to be that ignorant of this stuff. Here are just a couple of examples where Hamas intentionally targeted civilians without any military target in the vicinity.:

"The first of the suicide bombings that targeted civilians was at Afula on April 16, 1994, when a suicide bomber detonated an explosives-laden car next to a bus, killing nine (including the bomber) and wounding 50. The most deadly suicide bombing was an attack on aNetanya hotel on March 27, 2002, in which 30 people were killed and 140 were wounded. The attack has also been referred to as the Passover massacre since it took place on the first night of the Jewish festival of Passover at a Seder.

Hamas has defended suicide attacks as a legitimate aspect of its asymmetric warfare against Israel, but they are consideted as crimes against humanity under international law.[388][389] In a 2002 report, Human Rights Watch stated that Hamas leaders "should be held accountable" for "war crimes and crimes against humanity" committed by the al-Qassam Brigades.[390][391][392]"

 

[leibowde84]

Are there any muslims trying to change the laws in your country?

There are some who think that their religious beliefs give them a free pass from adhering to US Law. But, I trying to figure out exactly what you meant when you said that "the majority of Muslims internationally would like Sharia law.

 

[Useless2015]

But, you are a supporter of some kind of caliphate being created, right? Or do you expect Muslims to be exempted from adhering to secular law merely because they claim certain religious beliefs?

I am a supporter of a Caliphate
One where freedom, peace and safety are guaranteed.

 

[leibowde84]

I am a supporter of a Caliphate
One where freedom, peace and safety are guaranteed.

So, are you an isolationist in this regard? Or, would you be willing to adhere to the international laws on human rights?