Muslims against IS/ISIS

[Smart_Guy]

Hey Smart_Guy,

There's a distinction that I think got lost... Of course when ISIS invades a city the Muslims in that city are fighting back.

The question I'm interested in would be a question we could ask of SA or Iran: Will your countries step in before ISIS is at your border and fight with the Muslims whose cities are currently under attack?

Hey there

The answer is: I don't know

If I was the one in charge, I would have wanted to do it. Dunno how, but I want it to stop.

Borders separated people, made them closed to themselves, made them selfish... It hurts me so much to see that hold other countries for doing things they really want. You see how USA wanted to be the piece maker and help other countries, and the result was a very controversial public opinion. So many people consider American heroes as an invading army that only caused chaos (I don't). I'm not justifying, but who knows what the leaders are thinking.

I'm just a humble one that wants peace and cannot do any major thing about it.

 

[icehorse]

Hey Smart_Guy,

As always, I appreciate your perspective.

It seems to me, from where I sit across the ocean, that a lot of people in the ME just react negatively to "western interventions" regardless of the situation. There is certainly some reason for this kind of reaction, the west has done horrible things in the past. But now it seems to me that even if our intentions are good, many people in the ME will react negatively if we step in.

So it seems to me that if we really want peace in the ME, the regional leaders like SA have to step up and be leaders.

What do you think?

 

[Smart_Guy]

Hey Smart_Guy,

As always, I appreciate your perspective.

It seems to me, from where I sit across the ocean, that a lot of people in the ME just react negatively to "western interventions" regardless of the situation. There is certainly some reason for this kind of reaction, the west has done horrible things in the past. But now it seems to me that even if our intentions are good, many people in the ME will react negatively if we step in.

So it seems to me that if we really want peace in the ME, the regional leaders like SA have to step up and be leaders.

What do you think?

Well, for the thought of USA, I meant the whole world's public opinion not just the middle east. I consider Americans heroes btw , but it mean in the modern time of course. No one is perfect, and it is only normal that some soldiers stray and do some bad acts.

Yes, I believe KSA should do something about it. And btw, they actually did internally. They threatened to take away the Saudi Nationality from anyone they find connected to supporting ISIS. That's the basic idea, not sure about further measures.

Ah, please no more about this, it is not something I can talk about on the internet safely for someone in my position as I implied a couple of times before

 

[Matemkar]

Are you for real? American heroes?

What is heroic about meddling into the affairs of the nations in the region? (Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, etc.)

What is heroic about toppling governments when they nationalize their oil? (i.e. 1953, Iran) What is heroic about installing kings/shahs/despots there?

What is heroic about surrounding that country with millitary bases when they make a revolution and become free?

What is heroic about supporting dictatorships against other states? (i.e. supporting Saddam against Kurds and Iran. Saudis against Yemen and Bahrain. Turkey against Syria. etc.).

What is heroic about trying to save the ***** of subserviant-ally dictatorships (family rules, kingdoms, sheikhdoms) whereas opposing non-subserviant dictatorships?

What is heroic about forming and supporting terrorist organizations (in Afghanistan, Sryria, Iraq, etc.) and then meking them excuse to invade those lands?

What is heroic about mistaken(!) drone strikes? Targeting the armies of the region and civilians as well.

American regime is the global terrorist state. Not a hero.

Yet, sadly, most of its people (ordinary Americans) are blinded by the so-called "patriotism" and fancy claims such as spreading freedom and democracy.

And, it is more saddening, that, some Muslims, especially those living in currently under the rule of American ally regimes (i.e. Qatar, Saud, Turkey, etc.) don't realize the fact that, they will be betrayed also by the same global terrorist state, when they are done with them.

The question I'm interested in would be a question we could ask of SA or Iran: Will your countries step in before ISIS is at your border and fight with the Muslims whose cities are currently under attack?

Please see this explanation by Hezbollah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmtZErcUTXE

Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar (the so-called friends of Syria) are the indirect founders of the ISIL. Their help to the so-called "moderate" insurgents-terrorists in the region, gave birth to the illegitimate "Islamic" "State". And it would be absurd if these regimes truly took actions against ISIL, unless by making them excuse to invade the non-subserviant states (Syria, Iraq).

As for Islamic Iran, she is against the invasions by the so-called international coalitions. She wants the nations take care of their problems. And they can, if certain global terrorist states and their allies stop helping the so-called "moderate" insurgents (which join "ISIS" more everyday). Yet, Iran is doing what she can. Like sending military advisors into Syria and Iraq, with which they achieved great victories against "ISIL".

I believe, Iran did not totally join the fight because the region is not yet ready. There is racism and sectarianism against her sadly. And sometimes, racists are so bigot that when they are down, they refuse the help from others, rather they like to be finished by their own kin. Trust me, I know. If Islamic Republic (Iran) interfered much in the region, the racist ones among Arabs, would continue to their sickening propaganda, "Majosis! (i.e. fireworshippers)! Persians! Safawids! They want to invade our lands!" These racists will realize their mistake, I believe. But then it will be more late.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Are you for real? American heroes?

What is heroic about meddling into the affairs of the nations in the region? (Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, etc.)

What is heroic about toppling governments when they nationalize their oil? (i.e. 1953, Iran) What is heroic about installing kings/shahs/despots there?

What is heroic about surrounding that country with millitary bases when they make a revolution and become free?

What is heroic about supporting dictatorships against other states? (i.e. supporting Saddam against Kurds and Iran. Saudis against Yemen and Bahrain. Turkey against Syria. etc.).

What is heroic about trying to save the ***** of subserviant-ally dictatorships (family rules, kingdoms, sheikhdoms) whereas opposing non-subserviant dictatorships?

What is heroic about forming and supporting terrorist organizations (in Afghanistan, Sryria, Iraq, etc.) and then meking them excuse to invade those lands?

What is heroic about mistaken(!) drone strikes? Targeting the armies of the region and civilians as well.

American regime is the global terrorist state. Not a hero.

Yet, sadly, most of its people (ordinary Americans) are blinded by the so-called "patriotism" and fancy claims such as spreading freedom and democracy.

And, it is more saddening, that, some Muslims, especially those living in currently under the rule of American ally regimes (i.e. Qatar, Saud, Turkey, etc.) don't realize the fact that, they will be betrayed also by the same global terrorist state, when they are done with them.

It's okay, I could be wrong just like anyone else can be. We are not perfect

It is true that America screwed up big time more than once, but what I had in mind was the World Wars against Germany and Japan specially, and the Americans at that time. I honestly can't imagine what the world would look like if those two managed to get through in their state they were in that time. Exactly what I meant by "mixed public opinions" before. Besides, the fail of Japan made them forget about warfare and concentrate on technology, of which many we enjoyed/enjoy now.

That was in the past anyways. Right now, even tho I like American people, I seriously hate current American politics. I think many American agree with me in this.

 

[Gnostic Seeker]

Including persistent bigotry.

:yes:

 

[pro4life]

Hope to see more of this stuff

Moderate Muslims Stand against ISIS | National Review Online

There is no such thing as Moderate Muslims.
Its a whole package, either you take it or not.

 

[Smart_Guy]

There is no such thing as Moderate Muslims.
Its a whole package, either you take it or not.

Yup

 

[Pastek]

It is true that America screwed up big time more than once, but what I had in mind was the World Wars against Germany and Japan specially, and the Americans at that time. I honestly can't imagine what the world would look like if those two managed to get through in their state they were in that time.

The US start fighting only when they were attacked by Japan in 1941 while the war started in 1939.

As for our time, i think that many american soldiers don't really understand what's going on in the countries were they are sent.
They surely think they are in the good side and try to protect their country.

 

[Christian20]

On one side i am very happy to see that the most people of this generation think that Islam is "peace". That means that they are uneducated and won't hurt the people who are not Muslims. I'm from Syria myself i speak and read Arabic. I often hear Muslims say:"well read the Quran first then speak" well i did and i will speak. Mohammed himself in the beginning beheaded people (specially Jews) because they didn't want to convert to the Islam, and the Quran itself says that Muslims should kill unbelievers with no remorse. So you can't really blame ISIS, Jihad and other extremists because they just follow the word of Allah in the Quran, they don't know any better.

The Quran says when an unbeliever wants to fight you , fight back and kill him in the name of Allah.
But the Bible says when someome wants to fight you, do not fight back. It's better to be killed then have blood on your hands by killing one of your brothers and sisters.

And that's one of the reasons why i'm a proud Christian.

Here is a video of a Muslim who converted to Christianty. Just really hear him out don't be hard headed and just listen:

 

[Pastek]

On one side i am very happy to see that the most people of this generation think that Islam is "peace". That means that they are uneducated and won't hurt the people who are not Muslims. I'm from Syria myself i speak and read Arabic.

Are you now in Syria or are you in contact with people there ?
Maybe you can tell us what's going on for you or your family.

As a Syrian don't you know any muslim ?
If you lived there then you probably have muslim friends, no ?

 

[Christian20]

Are you now in Syria or are you in contact with people there ?
Maybe you can tell us what's going on for you or your family.

As a Syrian don't you know any muslim ?
If you lived there then you probably have muslim friends, no ?

No thank god i don't live there anymore. But all of my family still live there and friends indeed.
Yes i do have muslim friends not in Syria though.

Well the sircumstances are very bad there. I have lost a'lot of family in Syria because they didn't want to convert to the Islam, may god bless them, they have been killed in a very unhuman way. And the family that does still live there are not safe. My niece hears gunshots daily.

Us Christians live very peacefull there together with the Muslims. We are only a minority of 10 procent Christians. We just want to live nothing more. The Christians in Iraq also where chased away and killed.

May god bless them all and hopefully we can live in peace together again one day.

 

[Smart_Guy]

The US start fighting only when they were attacked by Japan in 1941 while the war started in 1939.

As for our time, i think that many american soldiers don't really understand what's going on in the countries were they are sent.
They surely think they are in the good side and try to protect their country.

Thank you for the heads up.

Ms. Pastek, it's been a while. I hope you're doing well

On one side i am very happy to see that the most people of this generation think that Islam is "peace". That means that they are uneducated and won't hurt the people who are not Muslims. I'm from Syria myself i speak and read Arabic. I often hear Muslims say:"well read the Quran first then speak" well i did and i will speak. Mohammed himself in the beginning beheaded people (specially Jews) because they didn't want to convert to the Islam, and the Quran itself says that Muslims should kill unbelievers with no remorse. So you can't really blame ISIS, Jihad and other extremists because they just follow the word of Allah in the Quran, they don't know any better.

The Quran says when an unbeliever wants to fight you , fight back and kill him in the name of Allah.
But the Bible says when someome wants to fight you, do not fight back. It's better to be killed then have blood on your hands by killing one of your brothers and sisters.

And that's one of the reasons why i'm a proud Christian.

I'm a native from Makkah, the home of Islam. I'm very well educated and read the Quran, and I read it every once in a while. Yes, I'm what's now called Saudi. What you are saying is, and please forgive my rudeness, a common result of lack of coherence and cohesion of the Quran and Islam. I know the verses you have in mind and I don't blame you for understanding them, and you are probably correct in that, but you have them out of the whole context of Islam and the Quran and generalized the Quran on them. I'm a Muslims educated in how Islam should ultimately applied, not like those waging religious wars around the world.

Islam is a religion in the middle. It does not tell us to kill people for trivial matter or the innocent, nor it tells us to stand there and watch our families get raped, tortures and killed doing nothing. If we don't fight back those who fight us, we might as well condemn our families to those crimes Please also keep in mind that the Bible has verses of killing as well. It is only fair to understand the Bible as a whole to judge current Christianity just as it is for the Quran to Judge Islam.

You are a proud Christian and I respect that. I hope one day good Christians and good Muslims get to know each other's religions better then care for each other instead of criticizing each other for it and wage wars for that. I can tell you're a very peaceful person from your posts and I commend you for it.

 

[Christian20]

Thank you for the heads up.

Ms. Pastek, it's been a while. I hope you're doing well



I'm a native from Makkah, the home of Islam. I'm very well educated and read the Quran, and I read it every once in a while. Yes, I'm what's now called Saudi. What you are saying is, and please forgive my rudeness, a common result of lack of coherence and cohesion of the Quran and Islam. I know the verses you have in mind and I don't blame you for understanding them, and you are probably correct in that, but you have them out of the whole context of Islam and the Quran and generalized the Quran on them. I'm a Muslims educated in how Islam should ultimately applied, not like those waging religious wars around the world.

Islam is a religion in the middle. It does not tell us to kill people for trivial matter or the innocent, nor it tells us to stand there and watch our families get raped, tortures and killed doing nothing. If we don't fight back those who fight us, we might as well condemn our families to those crimes Please also keep in mind that the Bible has verses of killing as well. It is only fair to understand the Bible as a whole to judge current Christianity just as it is for the Quran to Judge Islam.

You are a proud Christian and I respect that. I hope one day good Christians and good Muslims get to know each other's religions better then care for each other instead of criticizing each other for it and wage wars for that. I can tell you're a very peaceful person from your posts and I commend you for it.

Hello,

Me and my muslim bestfriend both have studied each others religion.
My brother also studied religions for years to find out which one is consistent with what is also happening right now in the world, likevthe chip (mark of the devil) which the Bible refered to and so much more.

I believe all our religions are built up from each other.
I'm not saying i'm the expert of Islam but i know what i'm talking about i don't just consume things.
And also in the bible there is nothing about killing.

And thankyou you seem like a very respectful guy aswell!
I hope so too inshallah, only we the people can change the world!

 

[Pastek]

No thank god i don't live there anymore. But all of my family still live there and friends indeed.

Well the sircumstances are very bad there. I have lost a'lot of family in Syria because they didn't want to convert to the Islam, may god bless them, they have been killed in a very unhuman way. And the family that does still live there are not safe. My niece hears gunshots daily.

Thanks for sharing. That's very sad, inchallah all this will end up soon.
I'm very sad for Syria it was such a beautiful country i never thought it would end like that.

Can we have your opinion about Bashar ?
Many said that syrian christians used to support him, but what do you think about him ? (it's ok if you don't want to answer)

Thank you for the heads up.

Ms. Pastek, it's been a while. I hope you're doing well

I'm fine thanks, happy to see you there too

 

[Smart_Guy]

Hello,

Me and my muslim bestfriend both have studied each others religion.
My brother also studied religions for years to find out which one is consistent with what is also happening right now in the world, likevthe chip (mark of the devil) which the Bible refered to and so much more.

I believe all our religions are built up from each other.
I'm not saying i'm the expert of Islam but i know what i'm talking about i don't just consume things.
And also in the bible there is nothing about killing.

And thankyou you seem like a very respectful guy aswell!
I hope so too inshallah, only we the people can change the world!

Ma'am, I'd like you to know that I didn't mean to be rude in my post.

If you're still convinced with your finding about the Quran, then I should stop here. I respect people's views and don't like to debate more than once. That would be rude of me.

I've come across some verses supporting killing in the Bible, but giving you the benefit of the doubt, I guess they were made up or belonged to versions of the Bibles you do not follow, not to mention I'm not the kinda person that wants to be rude to people and give them the impression I want to prove them wrong. I apologize for that comment.

I'm trying my best to change how some Muslims act around the world. Maybe someday my words will reach them and make them reflect upon their doings.

Thank you very much for your understanding, ma'am.

 

[Christian20]

Ma'am, I'd like you to know that I didn't mean to be rude in my post.

If you're still convinced with your finding about the Quran, then I should stop here. I respect people's views and don't like to debate more than once. That would be rude of me.

I've come across some verses supporting killing in the Bible, but giving you the benefit of the doubt, I guess they were made up or belonged to versions of the Bibles you do not follow, not to mention I'm not the kinda person that wants to be rude to people and give them the impression I want to prove them wrong. I apologize for that comment.

I'm trying my best to change how some Muslims act around the world. Maybe someday my words will reach them and make them reflect upon their doings.

Thank you very much for your understanding, ma'am.

That's okay me too. We are just stating out our opinions nithing wrong with that, and sometimes we can't come to an agreement so we can't force the other person to see it. That is what this site is for anyways!

I really respect that you are trying to be an example, because people including me are sometimes intimidated to speak our opinions to a muslim because they can get very defensive aswell for some Christians.

But last i would just like you to watch this and tell me what you think of it from your point of view:

 

[Christian20]

Thanks for sharing. That's very sad, inchallah all this will end up soon.
I'm very sad for Syria it was such a beautiful country i never thought it would end like that.

Can we have your opinion about Bashar ?
Many said that syrian christians used to support him, but what do you think about him ? (it's ok if you don't want to answer

Thankyou. Yes it's very sad to see, it was beautiful, and everything is destroyed, very hard to watch and hear, the street that i used to walk on where full off people with life, and now it's turned into a war zone.

Well i'm always very honest.
Let me put it in a way that you might get where i am comming from.

Imagine that you lived in a Christian country and you where only with 10% Muslims. The president is Christian aswell. You are not really being treated very well over the years but the president ALWAYS stuck by you. Eventhough he wasn't Muslim, hetreated you just like any other Christian. Then you would feel safe and bless him for it.

And that's how i feel about Bashar.
The media has made him look bad USA together with Israel, Turkey and more countries.
There was also proof of fake tapes of death people and more.
If Bashar leaves then it's bye bye Christians and hello Sharia.

My nieces where once in a car and they got attacked by jihadists, guess who jumped infront of the car and started shooting at the jihadists and took their bullets? The Syrian Army!

I hope i answered your question!

 

[Smart_Guy]

But last i would just like you to watch this and tell me what you think of it from your point of view:

If the story in that clip is real and that person found refuge in Christianity, all I can say is that I'm happy for him. To some people, seeking religion is to have a piece of mind and a purpose. I wish him the best

Those so called jihadists are terrorists anyways and they must be stopped.

 

[Pastek]

Imagine that you lived in a Christian country and you where only with 10% Muslims. The president is Christian aswell. You are not really being treated very well over the years but the president ALWAYS stuck by you. Eventhough he wasn't Muslim, hetreated you just like any other Christian. Then you would feel safe and bless him for it.

And that's how i feel about Bashar.
The media has made him look bad USA together with Israel, Turkey and more countries.
There was also proof of fake tapes of death people and more.
If Bashar leaves then it's bye bye Christians and hello Sharia.

I hope i answered your question!

I understand that you felt protected, thanks for answering.

But who bombed people in Homs in the beginning of the uprising ? Wasn't it the Syrian army ?