Muslims in Italy now calling for polygynous marriage

[columbus]

Hamza Piccardo thinks that because gay people are allowed to marry the one they love, Muslims should be allowed to marry whomever they like

I wonder if Italians saying "We like Italy better with less Muslims in it!" will still be considered bigots?
Tom

 

[Acim]

Having the power to marry "whomever you like" is rather contradictory to having a polygynous system, since it almost always involves coercion and treating women like cattle. Women are often married off in arranged marriages to much older men while they are in their teens or younger. Polygynous marriage is proven to go hand and hand with the violation of human rights, especially this: "They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution".

You can't have an equal say in marriage and in the home when your power is being shared with multiple other people who are sharing your role. With each new wife, your individual share of power in the relationship shrinks. The husband's share of power stays the same, simply because a man is viewed as a full human with 100% of rights, while women are viewed as lesser than the man with lesser rights when the man.

What if 6 gay males wanted to all be in a marriage with each other? How does this hold up with what you are trying to get across?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

That's a consequence of religious/cultural beliefs, not of polygamy.


Each can have their own role, then they can have equal say.

You're arguing against one specific model for what polygamous marriages might be. They do not have to be that.

I'm not going by ideals, I'm going by reality and evidence. That's been the reality of it. What some liberal Westerners might do as a fringe social experiment certainly is not a global view of the phenomenon. Going by what the research says, it's bad for societies.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

What if 6 gay males wanted to all be in a marriage with each other? How does this hold up with what you are trying to get across?

And what if people wanted to marry their cats? Hypotheticals aren't really helpful here, because who knows. You need to offer evidence that society stands to gain from polygamy. Give me concrete arguments. Why should we change? What will the benefits be? It's like with gay marriage, you can make clear and convincing arguments that gay marriage is a positive for society and so society had much to gain from legalizing it and attempting to normalize monogamy among LGB people. What are the possible benefits for society with polygamy? How will it effect society? How will it effect power disparities between the sexes? How will it effect children and inheritance?

Don't give me some idealistic "personal liberty" argument. That's not good enough, especially with the dire picture that studies paint of polygamous societies.

 

[YmirGF]

Personally, I think that polygamy should remain banned.

 

[First Baseman]

How would you guys who favor polygamy react if your wife wanted another husband?

If you can have two wives then why can't your wife have two husbands?

I know that in my house that isn't ever going to happen.

 

[LuisDantas]

If a marriage needs actual penalty of law to appear to work, odds are that it isn't working at all.

 

[First Baseman]

If a marriage needs actual penalty of law to appear to work, odds are that it isn't working at all.

It does need penalty of law in a lot of countries because what the women think doesn't matter to the men who make the laws.

 

[McBell]

How would you guys who favor polygamy react if your wife wanted another husband?

If you can have two wives then why can't your wife have two husbands?

I know that in my house that isn't ever going to happen.

Polygamy being legal does not mean that every one has to practice it.

 

[Treks]

You may find some people had wife , they cheating all time with sluts or girlfriends .

Simply because I'm a pedant, I'd just like to point out that if he's the one who is cheating, then he is the s1ut.

Note for mods: I avoided the filter because his original word also avoided the filter and the post is about that word specifically in a non-confrontational manner.

 

[Godobeyer]

Simply because I'm a pedant, I'd just like to point out that if he's the one who is cheating, then he is the s1ut.

Note for mods: I avoided the filter because his original word also avoided the filter and the post is about that word specifically in a non-confrontational manner.

I heard before some statics talking about high rate of infidel relation in UK, and in West , I know infidelity is exist in every community in every place , but statics tells that West, and some place in third world like Thailand had high rate !.


I find this artice talking about
Are we meant to be monogamous? Why people cheat, and the appeal of open relationships



http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...nships-and-life-after-an-affair-10097811.html


and this one .
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/adultery-countries-most-unfaithful-5188791

 

[Acim]

And what if people wanted to marry their cats?

If the cats can consent to the act, then why not????

Hypotheticals aren't really helpful here, because who knows. You need to offer evidence that society stands to gain from polygamy.

Why? This is not done with other forms of marriage. Go ahead and bring up any existing type of marriage, make your best case for how wonderfully helpful it is to society and I'll be happy to bring other facts to the table of how both the individual contracts have negative perceptions and/or societal rates of divorce and legal issues.

Give me concrete arguments. Why should we change?

Because some consenting adults wish to enter into such a contract. That really ought to be reason enough as discrimination against this means it could conceivably be an ongoing issue of discrimination against adults who are able to consent to such an arrangement.

What will the benefits be? It's like with gay marriage, you can make clear and convincing arguments that gay marriage is a positive for society and so society had much to gain from legalizing it and attempting to normalize monogamy among LGB people. What are the possible benefits for society with polygamy? How will it effect society? How will it effect power disparities between the sexes? How will it effect children and inheritance?

Don't give me some idealistic "personal liberty" argument. That's not good enough, especially with the dire picture that studies paint of polygamous societies.

I think the personal liberty of consenting adults is reason enough. I think the negative items associated with any form of marriage currently outweighs the benefits, but that this won't matter to anyone that wishes to be married.

When I look at any articles / rational for "benefits of marriage" it really isn't making a case for monogamy. I think that is implied. On quick search for writing this post, I found sites that were explicit (though I wouldn't say over the top) about marriage being - between one man and one woman. Thus, not necessarily assuming this would include SSM. I think the points that were raised do include SSM. But also could include polygamy.

Your point is the negatives and that's it. I see that could, easily, be done with any form of marriage, and I really do think the negatives do outweigh the benefits, but also think as long as consenting adults want that arrangement, it'll be very challenging for it to not be a legal right in society, or to undo that as a legal right.

But since you'll likely come back with "I need the benefits" type argument, I'll list benefits of marriage as listed from a few websites and say that I see this applying to polygamous relationships as well as any other form of marriage. I could list the rationale applied for each of these and just substitute the form of relationship with polygamy as the points under each aren't really really concerned with the particular form. I would certainly challenge anyone who thinks that is the case and feels they can make that argument.

• Promotes Equality and Non-Discrimination in Society
  
• On average, husbands and wives (people) are healthier, happier and enjoy longer lives than those who are not married.
  
• Fosters Psychological, Physical, and Social Wellbeing Amongst People
  
• Married people build more wealth on average than singles
  
• Promotes Family Stability
  
• Married women are significantly less likely to be the victims of violent crime than single or divorced women. Married men are less likely to perpetrate violent crimes than unmarried men.
  
• Fosters True Freedom of Religion
  
• Being married changes people’s lifestyles and habits in ways that are personally and socially beneficial. Marriage is a “seedbed” of prosocial behavior.

Honestly, as a B in the LGBT thing, I see anti-polygamy as having inherent discrimination against B, and essentially confirming bias that mono sexual activity is 'inherently right.' Sure, B's are able to get married to any gender they desire at this point in history. But if B wishes to marry one (or more) of each gender and all parties are in agreement / concept to such an arrangement, then what is the problem for society with this?

 

[Acim]

How would you guys who favor polygamy react if your wife wanted another husband?

With respect and honor for such a desire. Less likely, I would contend, than mono-sexual types to be ruled by jealousy and resentment. Not free of such emotions, but less likely to be ruled by it.

If you can have two wives then why can't your wife have two husbands?

Exactly. Why can't each person that desires more than one, have this?

 

[First Baseman]

Polygamy being legal does not mean that every one has to practice it.

So what's your point?

 

[First Baseman]

With respect and honor for such a desire. Less likely, I would contend, than mono-sexual types to be ruled by jealousy and resentment. Not free of such emotions, but less likely to be ruled by it.



Exactly. Why can't each person that desires more than one, have this?

Because it doesn't work out well for the multiple wives/husbands. Sharing a life mate with another person is stupid.

Because it is wrong.

Why do we have laws against it in the US? Because it causes too many problems and it is stupid.

 

[Acim]

Because it doesn't work out well for the multiple wives/husbands. Sharing a life mate with another person is stupid.

Because it is wrong.

So, you've got nothing, really? Same stuff could be said about monogamous marriages. Hence why part of New Testament concludes with the idea of "do not marry" or do not split your attention between God and some earthly relationship.

 

[Treks]

I heard before some statics talking about high rate of infidel relation in UK, and in West , I know infidelity is exist in every community in every place , but statics tells that West, and some place in third world like Thailand had high rate !.

I'm not disputing the rates of infidelity among humans. I'm just bringing to your attention the fact that you called the women in your example slu7s, but not the man, when in fact it is the man in your example who is being promiscuous. Do you see the problem? Do you agree that men can also be slu7s and that in your example, it is the man that this term actually applies to? Here is your example again:

"You may find some people had wife , they cheating all time with sluts or girlfriends"
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It may just be a language thing, so at the very least it will help you to finesse your English skills. Another term that that can be used is man-whore.

 

[Godobeyer]

I'm not disputing the rates of infidelity among humans. I'm just bringing to your attention the fact that you called the women in your example slu7s, but not the man, when in fact it is the man in your example who is being promiscuous. Do you see the problem? Do you agree that men can also be slu7s and that in your example, it is the man that this term actually applies to? Here is your example again:

"You may find some people had wife , they cheating all time with sluts or girlfriends"
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It may just be a language thing, so at the very least it will help you to finesse your English skills. Another term that that can be used is man-whore.

Ah ,you absolutely right , sorry its about my English skills.

Both are blamed and wrong.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

If the cats can consent to the act, then why not????

I didn't bother reading any further. You have to be trolling and I really hope you are. I'm putting you on ignore.

 

[First Baseman]

So, you've got nothing, really? Same stuff could be said about monogamous marriages. Hence why part of New Testament concludes with the idea of "do not marry" or do not split your attention between God and some earthly relationship.

You must be reading a different NT than the one written by the Apostles. I don't see any of that in the real NT.