"Muslims in Spain declare Jihad on dogs."

[Father Heathen]

But no one is singling out an entire religion or a race (which, by the way, are two completely different things), only those responsible for the actions.

 

[outhouse]

for me there is not different between racism in color or religion .
she hates black people , whatever she did not tell her why she hates her , and now you represent the hate to the muslims whom kills the dogs ,but you forget that your thread miss the credibility , your source just page HTML in site , without pictures or videos !!!!!

in the link provided I believe were 4 others sources.


It is you with no credibility in this debate

 

[Godobeyer]

You are not in a position to demand anything.
The Credibility is in the link to the report.

ah , that mean the credibility is 0
btw I did not ask you , i ask who post this thread

 

[Godobeyer]

I'm going to try to explain a few things to you. I hope you try to see my point.

There are good and bad Christians.
There are good and bad Muslims.

Just because a bad Muslim kills some dogs does not mean I view all Muslims in a bad light just as I would hope you would not view me as a bad person just because I am a Christian.

To tell you the truth, If my personal beliefs where that dogs where unclean and these dogs where trespassing in my back yard and harassing me, I'm sure I would speak to the dogs owner's and ask that my wishes for them to not be in my yard was respected.

If the problem continued, I might take things in my own hands. In other words, I can understand things so far.

My problem is when this man thinks he can control what another man does in his own back yard.

You have a right to have a peaceful place at your home, you do not have a right to control what another person does in his home.

We all have rights and we should respect each other's differences.

What sense does it make to hate a whole group of people and punish someone for what someone else has done to you?

What if a crazy Muslim poisoned my dog who was in his own back yard bothering no one? Does that now give me the right to hate all Muslims? :no:

What if a Muslim is wronged somewhere in this world. Does that give them the right to kill innocent women and children in retribution?

Hating a whole group of people for the actions of a few is ignorant and helps no one.

execellent logical post MR Reverend Rick .
I ask them to don't generate to all muslim as you said .
and I ask them to don't believe everything found in the net (posted by the haters of Islam )
specially when there was no credibility (picture or video) like this one .

 

[outhouse]

I ask them to don't believe everything found in the net (by the haters of Islam )

most people here do not hate islam, I have family that are.

specially when there was no credibility (picture or video) like this one .

are you to still LIE???

those links are credible and no one doubts that part of spain has a Islam dog issue.


If you think that is a false link then prove otherwise.

 

[outhouse]

here ya go, its a little invention called "google"


https://www.google.com/search?q=Muslim+kills+some+dogs&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-ContextMenu&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7#pq=muslim+kills+some+dogs&hl=en&cp=26&gs_id=1n&xhr=t&q=Muslim+kills+dogs+in+Spain&tok=3Dq71IU9iSpoNKLrbAS7ZA&pf=p&safe=off&rls=com.microsoft:en-us%3AIE-ContextMenu&sclient=psy-ab&oq=Muslim+kills+dogs+in+Spain&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=658666986fddd283&biw=1280&bih=843

 

[Godobeyer]

here ya go, its a little invention called "google"


https://www.google.com/search?q=Muslim+kills+some+dogs&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-ContextMenu&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7#pq=muslim+kills+some+dogs&hl=en&cp=26&gs_id=1n&xhr=t&q=Muslim+kills+dogs+in+Spain&tok=3Dq71IU9iSpoNKLrbAS7ZA&pf=p&safe=off&rls=com.microsoft:en-us%3AIE-ContextMenu&sclient=psy-ab&oq=Muslim+kills+dogs+in+Spain&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=658666986fddd283&biw=1280&bih=843

look at this poor dog

Spoiler: graphic

http://justsick****.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/dog_torture.jpg

killed by western(peru) soldier
wicked rotten peruvian soldiers play war games killing helpless dogs

this is the credibilty i am not lieing , you lie.

 

[Father Heathen]

look at this poor dog


killed by western(peru) soldier
wicked rotten peruvian soldiers play war games killing helpless dogs

this is the credibilty i am not lieing , you lie.

Yes, that is also absolutely horrible, but what point are you trying to make here? Are you trying to say that, just because other people do comparably atrocious things, that makes it okay?

 

[outhouse]

and reported

 

[Godobeyer]

edited also

 

[Debater Slayer]

how do you know that you too sick hhhhhhhhhhhh
this is the dogs that you care hhhhhhhhhhhh
look next time, my thread maybe would be about the animals "specific" cats and dogs which used by christians and "western " soldiers to train their armies .
let make this forum for animals care :yes:
by the i have pictures and videos don't worry about my credibility

Sorry, I really didn't want to do this, but I have to. It's gone too far now.

Judging from your spelling/grammar, you don't seem too fluent in English, which is not a bad thing, but since I want to get this across to you in a completely clear manner, and you being an Algerian (an Arabic native, that is), here we go:

يا أخي إتق الله و كفاك إساءة لديننا بهذا الشكل. إذا كنت تريد النقاش أو الدفاع عن الإسلام فيمكنك فعل ذلك بدون استخدام لهجة جارحة أو هجومية

إذا كانت نيتك لله فحاول أن تكون على قدرها بدلاً من الإساءة لدينك سواء كان ذلك بدون علم منك أو بسبب تهور و تسرع

أسأل الله أن يهدينا جميعاً سبل الحق

 

[internationalist]

No one is defending or excusing the poor standards of Spain's treatment of animals, of course it's horrific and inexcusable, but the focus of the thread was on people moving to another country, and then trying to impose their own culture upon that country rather than integrating or at least showing tolerance for the local way of life. It's a display of disrespect toward their host country, which raises the question why did they migrate there in the first place if it wasn't to their liking?

People migrate for economic reasons, not because they like the culture. They don't have to, to be honest. Let me give an example: a guy in Spain hires a Muslim worker, let's say from Algeria. The deal is: the Muslim worker provides labor power, and the Spanish guy provides wages. That's about all. Following cultural norms or integrating into society etc. are irrelevant.

 

[Kerr]

Muslims in Spain Declare Jihad on Dogs :: Hudson New York

What are your thoughts on this? Such audacious arrogance is astounding. What makes such immigrants think that the local culture is obligated to make compromises and concessions in order to accommodate their arbitrary whims? They demand respect and reverence for their own culture while at the same time trying to destroy the culture of others. And of course, those who don't roll over and give in to their demands are labelled "islamophobes" or some similar silliness.

 

[Godobeyer]

Sorry, I really didn't want to do this, but I have to. It's gone too far now.

Judging from your spelling/grammar, you don't seem too fluent in English, which is not a bad thing, but since I want to get this across to you in a completely clear manner, and you being an Algerian (an Arabic native, that is), here we go:

look Mr debater Slayer


you came too late ,Father Heathen delete his comment , that why my comment looks like agression .

accuatly , me and ssainhu and tariqkhwaja were defending for Islam from the first , and there are many people here (not muslim) support my point and they are against this un-credibile accusation , and i wounder how you critic me , and you don't critic the thread contain ?
by this way ,now you gave a reason to them , that they were right .

acualty I defend islam , by the same way they attack islam , and accusing and general all muslim harming animals "dogs" (without credibility )

secondly you critic my english, the english is my third langage after "arabic,french," , and i always apologize for that .... but i am happy that i reach this level in few years (of chat ) .
acuatly I face difficulte to exprime my ideas , but what important for me that my msgs were always arrived , and the people here get my points .

in the end , if you want to send me a privet message in arabic or english langauge , send it privetly plz

 

[Kerr]

in the end , if you want to send me a privet message in arabic or english langauge , send it privetly plz

If it was intended to be private it should perhaps have been sent in a pm. All it took was a trip to google translate to see what it said... I was curious !!!

 

[Debater Slayer]

look Mr debater Slayer


you came too late ,Father Heathen delete his comment , that why my comment looks like agression .

accuatly , me and ssainhu, and tariqkhwaja were defending for Islam from the first , and there are many people here (not muslim) support my point and they are against this un-credibile accusation , and i wounder how you critic me , and you don't critic the thread contain ?
by this way ,now you gave a reason to them , that they were right .

First off, I'm certainly against all generalizations of a certain religious group just because of the actions of a minority, and I do support your intention to defend Islam from these stereotypes, but what I have an objection with is the way you went around doing it. Two wrongs don't make a right.

I can certainly see where you're coming from, but that still doesn't justify the posting of hateful language containing obscured swear words.

acualty I defend islam , by the same way they attack islam , and accusing and general all muslim harming animals "dogs" (without credibility )

That is the problem right there. Again, two wrongs don't make a right. It is wrong to stereotype all Muslims because of the article, but it's also wrong to respond by swearing and stereotyping "the West" in return.

secondly you critic my english, the english is my third langage after "arabic,french," , and i always apologize for that .... but i am happy that i reach this level in few years (of chat ) .
acuatly I face difficulte to exprime my ideas , but what important for me that my msgs were always arrived , and the people here get my points .

I just said that it doesn't seem like your first language, which is not to criticize or blame you for it. I can understand that which is why I addressed you in Arabic.

And don't worry, your points are coming across just fine, at least to me, just try to tone down your use of stereotypes, because it's what we're criticizing in the first place.

in the end , if you want to send me a privet message in arabic or english langauge , send it privetly plz

I said everything I wanted to for now, but if I there's anything more I want to tell you, I will PM it to you.

By the way, I didn't mean to sound hostile or arrogant towards you. Sorry if any of my posts came across that way.

If it was intended to be private it should perhaps have been sent in a pm. All it took was a trip to google translate to see what it said... I was curious !!!

I wouldn't post something private on the public forums, but even if it was, Google Translate is so much of a language butcher I wouldn't even worry about it.

 

[Nichole_R]

Can't believe this is real. Is animal welfare a known policy there?

 

[not nom]

Is animal welfare a known policy there?

not nationally, no. well, it's "known" in "known to be utterly lacking". (that is, there is no national legislation regarding animal protection.. and what little exists on the levels of provinces, isn't enforced enough)

 

[Godobeyer]

First off, I'm certainly against all generalizations of a certain religious group just because of the actions of a minority, and I do support your intention to defend Islam from these stereotypes, but what I have an objection with is the way you went around doing it. Two wrongs don't make a right.

I agree with you

I can certainly see where you're coming from, but that still doesn't justify the posting of hateful language containing obscured swear words.

You absolutly right , but I accuse them the same way they accuse us .
I want to show them them that there are people in the west treating animals badly also.....but accuatly i found out that they are did care about the "dogs" they aim the reputation of Muslims.

That is the problem right there. Again, two wrongs don't make a right. It is wrong to stereotype all Muslims because of the article, but it's also wrong to respond by swearing and stereotyping "the West" in return.

yes this thread provoke me to reply like that ,
هم يحاولون إلصاق التهم بالاسلام . حتى ولو لم تكن ذات مصداقية مثل هذا الموضوع
, i gona tell something as an exemple :
it's like, when we found blind man mocks who have one-eye
اعمى يستهزء من اعور

المشكل انهم يستهدفون سمعة الاسلام ........ فهم لا يكترثون للكلاب او الحيوانات التي تقتل في بلدانهم من طرفهم..... والاكثر من هذا . ليس هناك اي مصداقية في هذا الموضوع.... فلا توجد صور او اي دليل ....... وعندما اطلب الصور يقولون لي " ليس لديك الحق في طلب الصور "

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I agree with you

You absolutly right , but I accuse them the same way they accuse us .
I want to show them them that there are people in the west treating animals badly also.....but accuatly i found out that they are did care about the "dogs" they aim the reputation of Muslims.


yes this thread provoke me to reply like that ,
هم يحاولون إلصاق التهم بالاسلام . حتى ولو لم تكن ذات مصداقية مثل هذا الموضوع
, i gona tell something as an exemple :
it's like, when we found blind man mocks who have one-eye
اعمى يستهزء من اعور

المشكل انهم يستهدفون سمعة الاسلام ........ فهم لا يكترثون للكلاب او الحيوانات التي تقتل في بلدانهم من طرفهم..... والاكثر من هذا . ليس هناك اي مصداقية في هذا الموضوع.... فلا توجد صور او اي دليل ....... وعندما اطلب الصور يقولون لي " ليس لديك الحق في طلب الصور "

It is because most of the European and north American countries have a high regard for animals and have passed strict laws about their abuse, that we are so upset by this report from Spain. There are countries in the west and East that have no such regard and no such laws, as your disgusting illustration showed. Korea butchers and eats dogs.

We do not show pictures, because we find the showing of torture and killing of animals sick and disgusting.

We would have been equally appalled had we heard of other religions doing this.