Muslims who don't trust Scholars

[safdar.dushantappeh]

No, don't put words into my mouth please . Here is what the Qur'an states ...

"He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book:... (Al Qur'an 3:7)

Here is the post in which we discussed this verse before:
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3599726-post55.html

You can find analysis of all such verses here:
Simple Islam - Criticisms-EN

You are saying contradictory things. On one hand, you are saying common folks are the minority and they have no way of verifying what the majority(i.e. the scholars) are saying

We are the majority, scholars are the minority.

and on the other hand, you are saying the minority(i.e. the common folks) won't have the time or ability to do it anyway.

We have the ability (most of us) but not the time to cultivate this huge literature.

And your main contention is that since the evidences/arguments are mostly in Hadith(which there are many) so people should not follow anyone

People should not blindly follow anyone since the God has created us free and since he has warned us about follower-followed relations. Hadiths in the current Islamic culture is the key to having this follower-followed relation developed.

and just read the Qur'an on their own and interpret it as they want.

Never said that. I said that we help each other to reach better interpretation. But do not blindly accept somebody's interpretation.

And you think that those same common folks who doesn't have any time, interest or dedication will easily spend time reading, understanding and sharing knowledge of the Qur'an ?

This is a feasible plan. I did it, many of my friends did. You can do it too.
This plan however is not generalizable when you put the huge literature of questionable Hadiths as part of Islam.

That even after the Qur'an itself states that only the people of understanding will understand the meaning of some verses ? Or you think everyone of those normal people will all of a sudden become people of understanding ? None of these makes any sense to me.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3599726-post55.html

You still could not show me how the Quran warns us from following Muslim scholars in teaching Islam.

I did present the verses (Chapter D of the following article):
Simple Islam - Trust-EN
But I am not responsible to making you see it. After all this is your choice, if you do not see it, no problem on my side.

Rather I have shown you how it tells a group to study so they can teach and also how only some men of understanding will understand it all.

You mentioned the verse and I explained my understanding of it. I guess you did not find my understanding convincing, in that case no problem on my side.

Sorry, I apologize if I hurt your feelings - that wasn't my intention.
Peace.

Your language suggests that you no longer need my help to clarify. Good luck.

 

[loverOfTruth]

Here is the post in which we discussed this verse before:
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3599726-post55.html

You can find analysis of all such verses here:
Simple Islam - Criticisms-EN


We are the majority, scholars are the minority.


We have the ability (most of us) but not the time to cultivate this huge literature.



People should not blindly follow anyone since the God has created us free and since he has warned us about follower-followed relations. Hadiths in the current Islamic culture is the key to having this follower-followed relation developed.



Never said that. I said that we help each other to reach better interpretation. But do not blindly accept somebody's interpretation.



This is a feasible plan. I did it, many of my friends did. You can do it too.
This plan however is not generalizable when you put the huge literature of questionable Hadiths as part of Islam.



http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3599726-post55.html



I did present the verses (Chapter D of the following article):
Simple Islam - Trust-EN
But I am not responsible to making you see it. After all this is your choice, if you do not see it, no problem on my side.



You mentioned the verse and I explained my understanding of it. I guess you did not find my understanding convincing, in that case no problem on my side.



Your language suggests that you no longer need my help to clarify. Good luck.

May Allah(swt) guide us all to the straight path and give us the proper understanding of this Deen InShaAllah.

 

[Salim Khan]

No doubt trusting scholars is not a requirement to be a Muslim, however, not to trust someone based on assumptions (without proof) is not being a good Muslim or a good person?

I think it’s arrogance to think we know better than others without having enough knowledge. Some scholars have spent entire life learning, studying the Quran so the correct thing to do is to trust them until you have enough valid reasons not to trust them. And, if you do something wrong based on advice from a scholar than you wouldn’t be held responsible in the day of judgement (In Sha Allah).

If you can take medicines prescribed by your doctor or trust a pilot to fly the plane than why not trust Muslim scholars?

 

[Mitch M]

I Really think - that Muslims do not find Scholars very helpful Because they are limited ONLY to the Islamic Scholars who arrive after Mohammud. Because Islam has no proof or evidence or Manuscripts or Gospels of eXisting before Mohammud. There were no Scholars or Historians who discussed Islamic Gospels or Islamic Scriptures.

So much that the Quran and Haddi Claim, is not Compatible with World History or the Gospels or Torah. Scholars and Historians and Scriptures are Picked and Chosen Very carefully. As where the Torah and Gospels is able to Agree with EVERY Knowledgeable, Educated and Honest Scholar on Earth / All Historical Facts - can Verify that the Facts of the Torah and Gospels are Either 100 % Factual truth or just an unknown Claim that can not be Proven true but can not be proven False. Nearly Every page of the Quran Can be proven FALSE either by the Bible or History. Scholars are only stating their opinions on the FACTS. Muslims have no need for this type of Thought process..

it is Like - When a Muslim Comes to You and Asks You - The Great Islamic Question. *: to Christians. "" is - " Where Did Jesus Say the Words - I am God, Worship me. "

the Muslim never takes the time to Look at the Fact how that He Must Ignore the Book of Revelation, where Jesus Personally DECLARES that HE is - The Almighty - The First and Last. and they Also Ignore the Fact that Mohammud *( IN The Quran ) - Never Once Says the Words. I am a prophet or I am A Messenger of God. This is the basic Muslim position that Muslims follow, in not trusting anything that proves them in error. But an overall goal to throw down again and again throw down and destroy and banish and BANN the God of Abraham and Jesus Christ and the Torah and Gospels.
and also the God of Abraham and the god of Islam are not the Same gods. this proven in every way.

Please let me know if You agree and if not, lets Discuss it. I would Love to talk to You.

Love Mitch

 

[peanutbutter63]

I haven't read all the posts of this thread, but concerning scholars...especially when it comes to those strange, funny, or ridiculous so-called Mohammed sayings (or supposed sayings of Ali or whoever else) whoever made them up.... I'd just like to say.....

 

[safdar.dushantappeh]

This discussion in "Religious Debates" thread is related to the topic of this thread: No-MiddleMan Movement: Religion without middlemen

 

[OurCreed]

There is nothing wrong with following a scholar, as long as you make sure you verify all the information given to you. In the very end, you are your own scholar, you need to do your own independent research and truth will come to you. When you and others find disagreement, the Qur'an commands for a peaceful trade of information and dialogue so the truth may be known.