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My conscience is torn all of a sudden

Spiderman

Veteran Member
So, still in my Trump phase and asked the Holy-Spirit for enlightenment about it.

What he seemed to have shown me was "the beauty and the beast" opening where the prince turns away the ugly beggar, and the beggar was actually beautiful in disguise and his whole mansion had a curse placed upon it, and the prince of course becomes a beast (if you have that opening scenario from the cartoon could you share it.)?

Well, it seemed Donald Trump resembles that rich prince in a mansion who turns away the beggar. The beggars of course being the poor and disenfranchised, the homeless, the drug addicts, the mentally ill, the handicapped, the Muslims, illegal immigrants etc. (I'm not convinced that the truly handicapped will have their disability taken from them however.)

But I'm not sure that moment was the spirit of God. A shepherd has to watch out for wolves in sheep's clothing. There were serial killers who would pretend to be injured or in crisis to find a victim too.

So, would Trump actually accept people into America if he had godlike qualities to know that they aren't out to harm his people or bring in drugs and gang activity. I think he would. If not, then he is an enemy of America (and charity) indeed!

But what if he is genuinely concerned about the future of our nation and the environment our children's children will be living in? There are examples of how the people he targets do indeed bring much violence, dark-aged policies, misogyny, and fear to those who love free-speech, justice, peace, women's equality, and harmony.

If that is his reason for turning away the poor needy beggars, well, that is noble. Should a Father accept a person who could be a pedophile off the streets into his home with his children, because Christ said, "I was hungry and you gave me to eat...I was a stranger and you welcomed me?..." A good shepherd doesn't have compassion for wolves and hesitates to let sheep into the fold when there are wolves in sheep's clothing wanting in.

So, what God might say on judgment day is, "I was your son, I was your daughter, and you kept rapists, thieves, drug-dealers, gangsters, and hateful lovers of dark-aged tyranny away from me. What you did for the least of my people you did for me. Come have your reward!"

"You stopped enabling lazy irresponsible drug-addicts with free handouts etc."

As much as I hate this verse, it is in the Bible: "If one does not work, they should not eat". If Trump cuts some welfare and food-stamps, he sort of is doing what the Apostle Paul preached. It could actually give people more dignity, healthy pride, independence, and joy, by motivating people to work. But Paul preached about charity to the poor and even to one's enemies as well!

I'm simply torn! I don't know what the answer is here. The Bible contradicts itself anyways! Help! Huge reward if you get this blind derelict to see the light! :p

If God doesn't want me to defend and promote Trump, then I don't want to. I'm divided internally on this issue as to what is God's will here!
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
I'm divided internally on this issue as to what is God's will here!
and we all have a moment when we ask ourselves.....what would God do?

typically...nothing

God gave Man dominion
it's up to us to figure out the details

good luck
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Me? You know how much I like you Pope, but what can I do?
Well, its an issue God must help all people understand to be resolved.

Hopefully my recent fervor for Trump will cease if God does not approve.

Pray for me! :praying:

I want God's will, but sometimes the God I know wants the devil to tempt and deceive people, for whatever reason!

I mean he could Enlighten everybody and make Satan cease to exist afterall!
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
It is clear im guilty of some inappropriately seeing godlike qualities in a leader full of sins and imperfections.

Guess I let myself go too far. The images of him resembling God or a superhero, I just found amusing.

I don't think of him as Christ-like by any stretch!
 

siti

Well-Known Member
I don't think of him as Christ-like by any stretch!
Maybe not - but I'm guessing he might well have put the fear of God into more people than Moses, Christ and Muhammad combined by now. I imagine even the least religious among his allies have been moved to prayerful contemplation occasionally - "Dear God, please don't let him open his twitter account today" or "Lord - please don't let me the one that gets fired today" - that kind of thing.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
Donald Trump is a sinner like any other human being. He is not the savior of this country. Nevertheless, the scriptures instruct believers to pray for our leaders. I pray that the current president will seek God's wisdom and will, rather than his own.
 

godnotgod

Thou art That
It is clear im guilty of some inappropriately seeing godlike qualities in a leader full of sins and imperfections.

Guess I let myself go too far. The images of him resembling God or a superhero, I just found amusing.

I don't think of him as Christ-like by any stretch!

Take off your rose-colored glasses and put on your thinking cap.


Do you realize that Pence is a Dominionist, and that Dominionists strongly support Trump? Here, educate yourself:

https://truthout.org/articles/chris...ngton-hotel-to-answer-the-divine-call-to-war/
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Take off your rose-colored glasses and put on your thinking cap.


Do you realize that Pence is a Dominionist, and that Dominionists strongly support Trump? Here, educate yourself:

https://truthout.org/articles/chris...ngton-hotel-to-answer-the-divine-call-to-war/
Thank you for sharing. I watched the video and read most of the link.

However, I also saw equally disturbing evidence that Obama was the Antichrist.

Even very persuasive arguments can still be based on facts mixed with fiction.

The reason Trump may be getting the votes of white evangelicals, may be in response to how much political correctness and lies about Islam being a religion of peace have ticked so many of them off, that they will vote on the candidate who is least politically correct, especially regarding Islam.
 

godnotgod

Thou art That
Thank you for sharing. I watched the video and read most of the link.

However, I also saw equally disturbing evidence that Obama was the Antichrist.

Even very persuasive arguments can still be based on facts mixed with fiction.

The reason Trump may be getting the votes of white evangelicals, may be in response to how much political correctness and lies about Islam being a religion of peace have ticked so many of them off, that they will vote on the candidate who is least politically correct, especially regarding Islam.

The truth can be put right under your nose, but you persist in weaving your web of deception, don't you? Where do you get off?
 

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
People are really insanely ignorant.
Speaking in tongues !!!!
Up your arse !.
Even Jesus is embarrassed !
And their `God` is hiding, as usual !
 

godnotgod

Thou art That
I also saw equally disturbing evidence that Obama was the Antichrist.

What 'evidence'?

The analogy of Obama to Trump is not 'equal'. The anti-Christ is seen as coming from another world as malevolent spirit; Trump from this world as the religious leader of a cult.
 
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Spiderman

Veteran Member
What 'evidence'?

The analogy of Obama to Trump is not 'equal'.
Evidence is in the eye of the beholder.

"evidence" that Obama was the antichrist isn't necessarily evidence. "Evidence" that Trump is the Fascist Cult-leader who these videos make him out to be isn't necessarily evidence.

You said Trump and his thugs wants to stomp your face in, remove your payments, and leave you starving? The media wants Trump impeached. The media never wanted Obama impeached. Your accusations are sometimes ludicrous.

Even if Trump and his "Thugs" wanted that, the majority of Americans would stand up to him and not let it slide. Very few people speak highly of Trump. Look at this website for example. There are anti-Trump threads started regularly, and only recently did I start promoting him.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
People are really insanely ignorant.
Speaking in tongues !!!!
Up your arse !.
Even Jesus is embarrassed !
And their `God` is hiding, as usual !
Oh...if I were God, I would be embarrassed that such people were representing me.

I was in a mental institution where people acted normal in comparison.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I have no idea how anyone can be in doubt about Trump's qualities (for lack of a better word) when he is so blunt about them and wears them on his sleeve constantly.

Subtle, he is not. Nor meritorious.
 
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