My conscience is torn all of a sudden

[Spiderman]

So what are you saying? That God's Word changed from the OT to the NT?

Maybe this 'Jesus Christ' was not who you think he was.

However, in Deuteronomy 20, God instructs his 'chosen people' to perform barbaric acts of destruction of the 'enemy'. But Jesus is supposed to return as a conquering general to destroy the enemies of Christianity. So really, there is no change in doctrine from the OT to the NT. 'Jesus' is really just a myth taken, in part, from a 4000 year old Indus god named Mitra, the god of covenants between man and god. Jesus came to establish a new covenant because the Jews kept breaking them, the blood sacrificial theme taken from the later Roman military god, Mithras. So where do you suppose this idea of a go between from God to man came from? From pagan Mithraism. The real man was Yeshua the Nazarene, who did not teach blood sacrifice, and whose breath based teachings were overwritten and suppressed by Paul and Rome as a device to convert the Mithraic pagans into Paul's new religion.

Most Catholics including Bishops voted for Obama.

I have met priests who think Trump is sick. The pope himself has very negative things to say about Trump.

Dominionists will have to trample upon the Catholic Church, try us as witches for praying to the Dead, and destroy the Catholic voice to do what you're saying.

 

[`mud]

hey GnG,
It seems that you changed your way of thinking lately, have you ?

 

[Spiderman]

Most Catholics including Bishops voted for Obama.

I have met priests who think Trump is sick. The pope himself has very negative things to say about Trump.

Dominionists will have to trample upon the Catholic Church, try us as witches for praying to the Dead, and destroy the Catholic voice to do what you're saying.

Where is @metis when I need his help lol .

 

[`mud]

hey Pope,
"defending emperor Trump ",
really !
I think you're slipping a little !

 

[Spiderman]

hey Pope,
"defending emperor Trump ",
really !
I think you're slipping a little !

I'm under a curse.

I cannot help but see Redemptive qualities in the man.

We all have our faults!

 

[`mud]

That's a really, really large one !
Other than his ego, he's a stump of a Trump.

 

[godnotgod]

Dominionists will have to trample upon the Catholic Church, try us as witches for praying to the Dead, and destroy the Catholic voice to do what you're saying.

"Dutch Sheets...claimed that it [Dominionism] would “play a prophetic role in getting the church to function as Christ’s Ekklesia, the representatives of His Kingdom government on earth; as such, we will expose the enemies of God, disrupt their plans, enforce Heaven’s rule, and reform America.” In 2015, Right Wing Watch pointed out, Sheets said, “We must realize that we are God’s governing force on the earth, which have been given keys of authority from Him to legislate from the spiritual realm.”

So the Dominionists aim to incorporate the Church into their plans. Like the Nazis who leveraged the German citizen's fears, so too will the Dominionists leverage all Christians fears to unite them against a common enemy.

 

[Milton Platt]

So, still in my Trump phase and asked the Holy-Spirit for enlightenment about it.

What he seemed to have shown me was "the beauty and the beast" opening where the prince turns away the ugly beggar, and the beggar was actually beautiful in disguise and his whole mansion had a curse placed upon it, and the prince of course becomes a beast (if you have that opening scenario from the cartoon could you share it.)?

Well, it seemed Donald Trump resembles that rich prince in a mansion who turns away the beggar. The beggars of course being the poor and disenfranchised, the homeless, the drug addicts, the mentally ill, the handicapped, the Muslims, illegal immigrants etc. (I'm not convinced that the truly handicapped will have their disability taken from them however.)

But I'm not sure that moment was the spirit of God. A shepherd has to watch out for wolves in sheep's clothing. There were serial killers who would pretend to be injured or in crisis to find a victim too.

So, would Trump actually accept people into America if he had godlike qualities to know that they aren't out to harm his people or bring in drugs and gang activity. I think he would. If not, then he is an enemy of America (and charity) indeed!

But what if he is genuinely concerned about the future of our nation and the environment our children's children will be living in? There are examples of how the people he targets do indeed bring much violence, dark-aged policies, misogyny, and fear to those who love free-speech, justice, peace, women's equality, and harmony.

If that is his reason for turning away the poor needy beggars, well, that is noble. Should a Father accept a person who could be a pedophile off the streets into his home with his children, because Christ said, "I was hungry and you gave me to eat...I was a stranger and you welcomed me?..." A good shepherd doesn't have compassion for wolves and hesitates to let sheep into the fold when there are wolves in sheep's clothing wanting in.

So, what God might say on judgment day is, "I was your son, I was your daughter, and you kept rapists, thieves, drug-dealers, gangsters, and hateful lovers of dark-aged tyranny away from me. What you did for the least of my people you did for me. Come have your reward!"

"You stopped enabling lazy irresponsible drug-addicts with free handouts etc."

As much as I hate this verse, it is in the Bible: "If one does not work, they should not eat". If Trump cuts some welfare and food-stamps, he sort of is doing what the Apostle Paul preached. It could actually give people more dignity, healthy pride, independence, and joy, by motivating people to work. But Paul preached about charity to the poor and even to one's enemies as well!

I'm simply torn! I don't know what the answer is here. The Bible contradicts itself anyways! Help! Huge reward if you get this blind derelict to see the light!

If God doesn't want me to defend and promote Trump, then I don't want to. I'm divided internally on this issue as to what is God's will here!

Sorry to hear about the torn conscience. Maybe this will help:

 

[godnotgod]

But what if he is genuinely concerned about the future of our nation and the environment our children's children will be living in? There are examples of how the people he targets do indeed bring much violence, dark-aged policies, misogyny, and fear to those who love free-speech, justice, peace, women's equality, and harmony.

If that is his reason for turning away the poor needy beggars, well, that is noble. Should a Father accept a person who could be a pedophile off the streets into his home with his children, because Christ said, "I was hungry and you gave me to eat...I was a stranger and you welcomed me?..." A good shepherd doesn't have compassion for wolves and hesitates to let sheep into the fold when there are wolves in sheep's clothing wanting in.

So, what God might say on judgment day is, "I was your son, I was your daughter, and you kept rapists, thieves, drug-dealers, gangsters, and hateful lovers of dark-aged tyranny away from me. What you did for the least of my people you did for me. Come have your reward!"

"You stopped enabling lazy irresponsible drug-addicts with free handouts etc."

As much as I hate this verse, it is in the Bible: "If one does not work, they should not eat". If Trump cuts some welfare and food-stamps, he sort of is doing what the Apostle Paul preached. It could actually give people more dignity, healthy pride, independence, and joy, by motivating people to work. But Paul preached about charity to the poor and even to one's enemies as well!

I'm simply torn! I don't know what the answer is here. The Bible contradicts itself anyways! Help! Huge reward if you get this blind derelict to see the light!

If God doesn't want me to defend and promote Trump, then I don't want to. I'm divided internally on this issue as to what is God's will here!

You seem to be attached to a system of Reward and Punishment. We don't feed people or withhold food because they're good or bad; we feed them because they're hungry. That they have committed some crime(s) is besides the point. We don't deny people medical care because they're bad people; we attend to them indiscriminately, at least in theory. Of course, the wealthy can afford better care and healthier foods, one of the great inequalities of our world. Access to healthy food, clean air and water, and decent medical care should be available to everyone as basic human rights by default. The mistake we make is to make them a special prize, when really, they should be part of our ordinary, everyday life. This is the mark of a truly progressive society. We are living in the Dark Ages where people starve in a land of plenty, and are denied medical care because of their economic situations, and we seem to think this is just the way things have to be. So on and on we go in a dangerous fatuity, with the stakes getting higher and higher. Decent food, clean air and water, and good medical care for many has become a luxury. It is not a question of whether we deserve these things or not; it's a question of basic human dignity. Unfortunately, we have attached these necessities to profit and competition. We are all caught in this insane system of Reward and Punishment, where there are the deserving and the undeserving. The old Christian ethic used to be that if you were poor, you would inherit the Earth. Today, it has become a sick doctrine, where if you are poor, well, that is your fault because you did not do the right Christian thing. We have lost touch with the reason for the Protestant movement, which broke away from the notion of merit, and championed grace instead. You can't earn grace. It is something freely given. Grace is the highest form of nourishment and medicine. But we, as miserable humans, want to meter out the basic necessities of life to those who've earned it as compared to those who have not. As Zorba said in the film 'Zorba the Greek': "Clever grocers. They weigh everything", or, as Stevie Wonder sings: "living just enough for the city". We cheat ourselves, and when someone gets more than someone else, we scream bloody murder like rotten little children. Little wonder we feel like miserable wretches when it comes to Amazing Grace. We play at false humility, while pointing the finger at others. It's just the reverse form of spiritual one-upmanship, both being ego gratifications. We think we deserve entry into heaven, while condemning the 'undeserving' to eternal hell who haven't done 'the right Christian thing'.

Not only are our human rights being whittled away, but our quality of life has become more and more anemic. The other day, I saw a man in the checkout line with an entire shopping cart filled with Top Ramen, and wondered if this is how he was stretching his food dollar to feed his undernourished family. Made me sick. I remember as a child seeing my neighbor's kids eating white bread with mayonnaise and cake sprinkles inside. But the clincher for me is many elderly eating dog food to stay alive, and Sheriff Arpaio proudly announcing how much money he saved the government by feeding his prisoners rotten baloney sandwiches. And now, the Republicans are working on a plan to take away food stamps entirely as a cost cutting measure, and provide food boxes metered out with just enough nourishment to keep one alive. It's like the beady eyed and bald bespectacled accountant in the basement of some government office figuring out precisely how many grams of protein you are entitled to this month. So much, and no more! No exceptions! Next! It's all about the rich getting even more for themselves, at the expense of the poor and disenfranchised. Perhaps their next move will be drop-in public euthanasia centers where the dying can check out, thereby reducing the burden on the rich. Let's just exterminate the poor and feeble, then there's no problem anymore.

 

[godnotgod]

hey GnG,
It seems that you changed your way of thinking lately, have you ?

No, I'm still the same old GNG. Maybe it's you, LOL.

 

[godnotgod]

I'm under a curse.

I cannot help but see Redemptive qualities in the man.

We all have our faults!

Maybe what you see is a reflection of yourself, and not a true image of the cold hearted monster that Trump truly is. C'mon now, Pope. Just admit that you, like so many others, have been deceived by appearances.

Having faults is one thing. Having serious character flaws as a leader of the most powerful nation on the planet who has access to the nuclear codes is quite another. I hope and pray he is ousted from office as soon as possible before he gets a chance to shut down the government, silence the press, and declare martial law.

"We won't be fooled again", and yet, here we are, eating out of the hand of one of the greatest con artists to have come down the turnpike. For shame. What are the words I'm looking for? "Delusions of grandeur", to describe Trump.

 

[godnotgod]

Yes, but Jesus Christ preached something totally different.

I don't know of one Christian country that oppresses it's people like Saudi Arabia does with Dark Age theology.

The Old Testament is extremely ancient and barbaric.

Jesus led the opposite example.

So God is saying one thing, and then latere changing his mind? What he said yesterday is no longer to be respected, and now he talks out of the other side of his mouth? What kind of God is that?

 

[`mud]

hey GnG,
Don't you understand that Dope's playing with your mind ?
Go back and read some of his earlier posts, way back.
I could be wrong you know, but I think not.
C'mon Dope, ease up on the kibitzing.

 

[`mud]

hey Dope,
Are you adjusting to your new meds, are they working ?
I think that there aren't any, am I right ?

 

[Spiderman]

hey Dope,
Are you adjusting to your new meds, are they working ?
I think that there aren't any, am I right ?

Want me to make a YouTube of my pills?

They take 8 weeks also sometimes to work.

 

[`mud]

Not needed, I trust you, just take what's needed,
and nothing else !