my declaration

[Quiddity]

because i know many good, religious people, who by this definition, are living in complete and filthy sin, despite the fact that they are some of the most moral, loving, compasionate people i know

i simply cannot believe in this, it defies the very nature of what i understand God to be

I hear ya...but what makes you think you can't believe in ONE PATH while agreeing with what you just said? Could it be that you may be misunderstanding that saying?

~Victor

 

[Quiddity]

I understand ONE PATH to be equivalent to ONE BRIDGE. But how people walk to that bridge is but personal to them and only God knows what struggles are in their mind and heart. Most faiths seek truth. Truth is also an equivalent to the ONE PATH. It's like they are looking for truth but don't even know that it leads to Christ the Bridge...
At least that's how I understand it.

~Victor

 

[The Black Whirlwind]

dude, you can't be a christian wiccan... you just can't. It's one or the other, you can't believe in christ and also in withcraft, he said he was one and only, all others are false, blah blah blah. You cannot be a true christian without accepting Jesus wholehearetdly.

 

[Draka]

Just a little info here on Wicca. There are many different kinds of Wiccans who follow different pantheons. Pantheons are based in different mythologies...be it Celtic, Egyptian, Norse, Greek, Roman, and so on. Christianity, I'm sorry to say, is just another mythology with its own pantheon. God(Father), Holy Spirit(Mother), Jesus(son of God), Angels (minor gods and goddesses) and etc, etc. So for the purpose of worship one can use the Christian pantheon in their Wiccan rituals and worship. If that's what rings most true for someone then who is anyone else to decide it doesn't work?

 

[Quiddity]

Just a little info here on Wicca. There are many different kinds of Wiccans who follow different pantheons. Pantheons are based in different mythologies...be it Celtic, Egyptian, Norse, Greek, Roman, and so on. Christianity, I'm sorry to say, is just another mythology with its own pantheon. God(Father), Holy Spirit(Mother), Jesus(son of God), Angels (minor gods and goddesses) and etc, etc. So for the purpose of worship one can use the Christian pantheon in their Wiccan rituals and worship. If that's what rings most true for someone then who is anyone else to decide it doesn't work?

Is Pantheons centered around "what works for me". Cause I don't believe that is what Christianity is about. We'll have to disagree.

~Victor

 

[ayani]

well, congradulations, friend!

soul-serching takes alot of hard work, but isn't clarity worth it?

:bounce

peace!

 

[Mike182]

dude, you can't be a christian wiccan... you just can't. It's one or the other, you can't believe in christ and also in withcraft, he said he was one and only, all others are false, blah blah blah. You cannot be a true christian without accepting Jesus wholehearetdly.

hehehehe, when did i say i don't accept jesus wholeheartedly?

please people, don't patronise me - like i have said, i have researched this, prayed about this, and have found a great peace with my conclusion, which will undoubtedly grow and strengthen as i walk my path

please do not talk to me as if i were a mere child, not knowing about what im talking about


fat katt matt, what you are saying is exactly what i can't agree with - that all those who deviate from the belief in "only through Jesus and jesus only" do not stand a hope in hell of any form of salvation

if anything, your postings are furthering my beliefs

victor, you are right! why walk two paths when one would suffice! i am walking one path, it just doesn't have a name - so for now, it shall be called christian wiccan because that best sums up what it is :bonk:


nutshell:

What if God (who does love each and everyone of us), in his infinite wisdom, provided a way that all people that ever were, are, and will be would have the opportunity to accept Christ?

what this is saying is that everyone knows of christ in a religious sense, and those who don't follow christian tradition are ignorant of truth - making this a justification for casting out people who are not christian - you are saying "this is the only way, and you've had a chance, so don't complain its too hot down there" - and i don't agree with it

joeboonda's post pretty much sums up the dogma in christendom that i now recognise and detest

C_P

 

[Draka]

Is Pantheons centered around "what works for me". Cause I don't believe that is what Christianity is about. We'll have to disagree.

~Victor

A pantheon is a set of gods/deities and such that a religion is based upon. The old Celts had their religious beliefs based on certain gods, the Norse peoples, the Egyptians, and so on. A pantheon is simply that. So therefore the revered ones of Christianity count as a pantheon as well. As a matter of fact they have many of the same archetypes of many older pagan religions anyway.

 

[The Black Whirlwind]

fat katt matt, what you are saying is exactly what i can't agree with - that all those who deviate from the belief in "only through Jesus and jesus only" do not stand a hope in hell of any form of salvation.

well, it's what the bible says. but, whatever works for you man. Don't let little ole me get in the way of your happiness.

 

[Mike182]

A pantheon is a set of gods/deities and such that a religion is based upon. The old Celts had their religious beliefs based on certain gods, the Norse peoples, the Egyptians, and so on. A pantheon is simply that. So therefore the revered ones of Christianity count as a pantheon as well. As a matter of fact they have many of the same archetypes of many older pagan religions anyway.

in addition, both the pentagram and the ank were christian symbols in the past

wow, the connections between the two grow minute by minute

 

[maggie2]

Hey C_P,

Congratulation on finding a path that is peaceful and right for you. You have great courage to post here where you are sure to get people telling you that you are wrong and you can't believe what you believe and so on.

Don't let anyone tell you what you can and can't believe. I think that our spiritual journey is one where we must follow our own path, wherever that may lead. I commend you for sticking to your beliefs even in the face of several posts that suggest you are wrong. Good for you!

I'd be interested in hearing more about how you came to your conclusions. I know the struggle and value of questioning and seeking and I respect all those who make the choice to follow this sometimes challenging way of seeking.

 

[Fluffy]

Wow I only just noticed the change C_P! Good on you! Me and you must be pretty damn close on the spiritual map now lol .

I know exactly what you mean about the way Christianity can seem very... restrictive in terms of cutting out alternate paths. Tempering the idea of salvation through being Christian with the Wiccan belief of all paths leading to the divine is immensely satisfying and just feels right.

 

[Mike182]

Wow I only just noticed the change C_P! Good on you! Me and you must be pretty damn close on the spiritual map now lol .

I know exactly what you mean about the way Christianity can seem very... restrictive in terms of cutting out alternate paths. Tempering the idea of salvation through being Christian with the Wiccan belief of all paths leading to the divine is immensely satisfying and just feels right.

hehehehe, i was actually thinking of you when i was posting, if our paths ever cross, i hope to become aware of it

*hugs from a distance*

hehe

mike

 

[joeboonda]

Anyone think it is possible, that there may be the one truth. That if someone finds that one truth, they should tell others, even amidst persecution? If there is one truth, then all the others are non truths. Is it not possible, and if so, should we not search it out, and if we feel we have found it, proclaim it, so others may know and have peace? Or is that just too "narrow-minded" an idea, that there may be THE TRUTH? Just something to think about.

Thanks,

Joeboonda

 

[Draka]

Anyone think it is possible, that there may be the one truth. That if someone finds that one truth, they should tell others, even amidst persecution? If there is one truth, then all the others are non truths. Is it not possible, and if so, should we not search it out, and if we feel we have found it, proclaim it, so others may know and have peace? Or is that just too "narrow-minded" an idea, that there may be THE TRUTH? Just something to think about.

Thanks,

Joeboonda

Sure there's a "truth". The writers of South Park spread that message ages ago. God is a conglomeration of animals and he is a Buddist. The only ones who make it into Heaven are Mormons and everyone else goes to Hell. Hell has parties and luaus hosted by Satan and whoever his boyfriend is at the time. Don't you know anything? :bounce

 

[Sunstone]

Anyone think it is possible, that there may be the one truth. That if someone finds that one truth, they should tell others, even amidst persecution? If there is one truth, then all the others are non truths. Is it not possible, and if so, should we not search it out, and if we feel we have found it, proclaim it, so others may know and have peace? Or is that just too "narrow-minded" an idea, that there may be THE TRUTH? Just something to think about.

Thanks,

Joeboonda

Yes, it's too narrow minded. Moreover, it's not supported by any evidence.

 

[Buttons*]

A Christian witch, man, I have no words, I have no words...we have the good news that God sent his son to pay for our sins, offering salvation as a totally free gift. We are to tell everyone this good news, someone does not believe it, says they're a witch, and you cave. Get some kahuna's man, stand up for the Lord Jesus Christ and the gospel! Sure they have some nice beliefs, but they do not worship God or believe in Jesus. In the 15th century a man of God said white witchcraft was much more dangerous than black, because white witchcraft claims to be the 'good' kind. Witchcraft is an abomination and those who practice it are placing their faith in the wrong thing. I can put my faith in the cookie monster, but I can tell you right now, he ain't gonna save me! There is only one person who died and rose again, for us, and that is Jesus Christ. Man, are we ever moving to the one-world religion of the false prophet spoken of in revelation. Come on, man! Be a Christian or be a witch, but ya can't be both! Jesus said he is the way and no man comes to the Father but by him, either believe him or call him a liar, man, its too late for sittin on fences, its time to chose your side. I just have no words...unbelievable. Good luck dude, whatever.

crazy, i thought u had no words!

 

[Buttons*]

personally i think that's great! I also have trouble believing in the whole, "if you dont know God you will burn" type scenario. Mostly because some people in the world have never heard of the God that we have. So how can they go to heaven or hell if they havent heard it and made a decision on it? I think the most important thing is to have faith, in anything that will make you grow as a person. *smiles* but those are just my thoughts....

 

[Fluffy]

Anyone think it is possible, that there may be the one truth. That if someone finds that one truth, they should tell others, even amidst persecution? If there is one truth, then all the others are non truths. Is it not possible, and if so, should we not search it out, and if we feel we have found it, proclaim it, so others may know and have peace? Or is that just too "narrow-minded" an idea, that there may be THE TRUTH? Just something to think about.

It is largely not your message. I only have a problem with anothers message if they are factually incorrect. It is the method of your delivery that is hard to accept.

 

[joeboonda]

Sure there's a "truth". The writers of South Park spread that message ages ago. God is a conglomeration of animals and he is a Buddist. The only ones who make it into Heaven are Mormons and everyone else goes to Hell. Hell has parties and luaus hosted by Satan and whoever his boyfriend is at the time. Don't you know anything? :bounce

Lol, I don't know a whole lot, but I want to be sure you know I'm not a Mormon, not that you said that, and not that Mormons believe that. They actually believe most people will be saved and have that chance in the next life. Not my position, anyway, thanks for the truth according to South Park, lol. Peace.