My disdain toward cinema is becoming unbearable

[Revoltingest]

No, you need to look to countries that appreciate the value of art, in spite of the fact that it's not monetary value. It's sad that you didn't understand this.

I understand a little more than you might think.
Greedy capitalist countries create the mostest bestestest movies.
Art flourishes when people needn't spend their time desperately
trying just to survive governments which oppress the greed out of'm.

 

[PureX]

When you stop spending your hard earned cash on the crap you're be force fed, then those that produce for profit will start offering fare that you may find more palatable.

Right, because good is less important than profitable. This is the insidious plague of capitalism. The ideal goal in a capitalist system is to sell a turd for as much money as you can possibly get for it. Which is in fact the goal of exploitation, rather then the goal of making a commercial trade where each person gains equitable value from the exchange. Greed seeks to exploit, where commerce seeks to increase equitable value.

 

[PureX]

I understand a little more than you might think.
Greedy capitalist countries create the mostest bestestest movies.
Art flourishes when people needn't spend their time desperately
trying just to survive governments which oppress the greed out of'm.

That's just plain stupid.

 

[Revoltingest]

That's just plain stupid.

Thanx for sharing!

 

[Revoltingest]

When you stop spending your hard earned cash on the crap you're be force fed, then those that produce for profit will start offering fare that you may find more palatable.

You're looking at it all wrong.
It's not up to consumers to vote with their wallets.
We need a powerful central government to squash greed, &
force to appreciate great art...just like the intelligentsia.

Now, for your viewing pleasure....

 

[BSM1]

Right, because good is less important than profitable. This is the insidious plague of capitalism. The ideal goal in a capitalist system is to sell a turd for as much money as you can possibly get for it. Which is in fact the goal of exploitation, rather then the goal of making a commercial trade where each person gains equitable value from the exchange. Greed seeks to exploit, where commerce seeks to increase equitable value.

Wrong! The ideal goal in a capitalist society is selling anything for whatever the market will bear. No one is forced to purchase anything (except, of course, Obamacare...go figure). If you want to change the system then become a savvy consumer instead of a victim.

 

[Twilight Hue]

As I have gotten older I have come to realize everything I love and hold dear is turning into absolute garbage. The fact a single Disney Marvel film has made more than 5 million dollars baffles me, I would even go so far to rank the entire Marvel cinematic universe as some of the worst films on earth . . . . EVER! With Spiderman Homecoming being the worst films I have ever witnessed in my entire life, I can only imagine how bad Black Panther is quite frankly.

Me and my brother have collected over 3,000 films and a vast quantity of comics and books and by far I have seen the film industry go to absolute trash the quickest. It has ruined my experience with my own fiancee as she is unable to enjoy any film at all anymore and I am left depressed and broken by the appalling films released to the public.

Every year it is bad film after bad film. Just to name a few:

• Jurassic World
• Spectre
• Kingman (entire filthy franchise)
• Insidious (all of them)
• Interstellar
• Lucy
• Birdman
• Furious 7 (and the entire franchise)
• King Arthur (2017)

And I will make a seperate case for Guardians of the Galaxy and Thor Ragnarok as I consider these films utter filth and mentally degrading to watch in any capacity even though I expressed my dislike toward Disney and its current film production already.

I came home one night after watching Star Wars The Last Jedi and it completely broke me. I had to drink a fourth of a giant Bacardi rum bottle to drown my depression after seeing the film. I was emotionally devastated knowing I no longer had anything to look forward to in cinema anymore and especially Star Wars which I held very dear to me. As of this year I have almost withdrawn from all digital western media and have barely touched any anime even.

I am just venting but I am curious toward the attitude of everybody else. Being a film snob I hope I am not being unfair to good films but I also feel that I would know a good film when I see it.

It's all formulated now based on statistical data. No creativity anymore because new ventures are too risky for investers to make money, so it's all generic copy and paste based on what features audience's like.
The data says you need...
X amount of romance. Put it in somewhere. Obligatory kissing and sex....

X amount of action. Put it in somewhere.
Obligatory chase scene....

X amount of drama. Put in somewhere.
Obligatory hero almost dies......

X amount of comedy. Put it in somewhere.
Obligatory farting toilet humor sequence.... (I'm looking at u Disney)

Ad nauseum.....ad nauseum....ad nauseum.....


Don't vary or try new directions. That's bad. Suppress any creativity. Too much financial risk involved. Stick with the formula.

Viola!! Copy paste filmmaking courtesy of statistical data! Film redundancy till it breaks the mold.

It's why there's sooo many sequals and repeat ad infinitum features persists.

Gaming is like that too now.

 

[Revoltingest]

Wrong! The ideal goal in a capitalist society is selling anything for whatever the market will bear. No one is forced to purchase anything (except, of course, Obamacare...go figure). If you want to change the system then become a savvy consumer instead of a victim.

You'll never make it as a judge in the Victim Olympics (winter or summer).

 

[RoaringSilence]

try bollywood for change

 

[Twilight Hue]

try bollywood for change

Oh don't get me on about Bollywood. Long gone are the days of Veeru Dada or Iruvar.

I enjoyed Bollywood mostly for the music and dancing. Not for the acting, unless I wanted a good laugh. But still, Bollywood had a charm all its own but now it's pretty pathetic.

 

[RoaringSilence]

Oh don't get me on about Bollywood. Long gone are the days of Veeru Dada or Iruvar.

I enjoyed Bollywood mostly for the music and dancing. Not for the acting, unless I wanted a good laugh. But still, Bollywood had a charm all its own but now it's pretty pathetic.

bahubali was worth watching , besides that i agree with you... also "mahabharat " will come up soon by the same director of bahubali .. that will break all the world records 20 times over...so don't give up just yet.

 

[Revoltingest]

All I know of Bollywood is what I learned from The Simpsons.

 

[Shad]

Could only watch about twenty minutes of the new Bladerunner before falling asleep. In all fairness, I had to watch the old BR about three times before I understood what was going on.

Found the replicant.

How do you feel about wasps?

 

[BSM1]

Found the replicant.

How do you feel about wasps?

Not too keen on them when they sting.

 

[Deeje]

The entertainment industry began with what audiences wanted to see and hear because that is where the $$$$ were. But as we regress into more and more moral degradation, we see the appetites of audiences accepting more and more of what appeals to their base instincts....

In past decades, violence was moderated, as were sex scenes in the old movies. Consciences were not violated by them and censorship made sure that nothing offensive slipped through. You could watch movies with your children with relative confidence......but all that has changed.

You only have to check out the ratings now to see that what was once rated “G” doesn’t really exist anymore (except in some nature documentaries perhaps) and that what is rated “PG” now use to be rated for “Adults Only”. “Adult” movies now were once rated “R”. Only ‘deviates’ watched those kinds of movies.

It is an indicator of where our sensibilities have been taken. We never used to hear bad language in movies....now the “F” bomb is dropped repeatedly as it is commonly used in everyday speech by practically everyone. It may be common, but that doesn’t make it acceptable to everyone. I have never used bad language like that and neither do my kids. JW’s do not follow the world’s standards.

Gratuitous sex and violence are now part of most movies and people find nothing offensive in them these days....why? Because human standards have dropped to a level where nothing shocks them anymore. If nothing shocks or offends us, then humans have become completely desensitised and can get away with more and more aberrant behaviour. How are we ‘entertained’ by this stuff? What does that say about us?

It is all part of the conditioning we have been experiencing in a world so used to violence and bloodshed that we no longer respond with outrage....we just accept it...like the frog in the pot....we don’t jump out, but are content to stay until we die. (morally)

Humanity is dying both morally and spiritually, and people are doing nothing to prevent it. Entertainment is a conditioning tool and we have succumbed to the insidious methods of those who want to corrupt all our human sensibilities to prove that we are just animals after all. Look at what is offered to children as entertainment these days! A steady diet of violence and bloodshed. And we wonder why there is so much violence in schools!

We used to be above the animals in our moral capacity, but it seems that we have been led along by those with an ulterior motive. It’s time to wake up......isn’t it?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

The entertainment industry began with what audiences wanted to see and hear because that is where the $$$$ were. But as we regress into more and more moral degradation, we see the appetites of audiences accepting more and more of what appeals to their base instincts....

In past decades, violence was moderated, as were sex scenes in the old movies. Consciences were not violated by them and censorship made sure that nothing offensive slipped through. You could watch movies with your children with relative confidence......but all that has changed.

You only have to check out the ratings now to see that what was once rated “G” doesn’t really exist anymore (except in some nature documentaries perhaps) and that what is rated “PG” now use to be rated for “Adults Only”. “Adult” movies now were once rated “R”. Only ‘deviates’ watched those kinds of movies.

It is an indicator of where our sensibilities have been taken. We never used to hear bad language in movies....now the “F” bomb is dropped repeatedly as it is commonly used in everyday speech by practically everyone. It may be common, but that doesn’t make it acceptable to everyone. I have never used bad language like that and neither do my kids. JW’s do not follow the world’s standards.

Gratuitous sex and violence are now part of most movies and people find nothing offensive in them these days....why? Because human standards have dropped to a level where nothing shocks them anymore. If nothing shocks or offends us, then humans have become completely desensitised and can get away with more and more aberrant behaviour. How are we ‘entertained’ by this stuff? What does that say about us?

It is all part of the conditioning we have been experiencing in a world so used to violence and bloodshed that we no longer respond with outrage....we just accept it...like the frog in the pot....we don’t jump out, but are content to stay until we die. (morally)

Humanity is dying both morally and spiritually, and people are doing nothing to prevent it. Entertainment is a conditioning tool and we have succumbed to the insidious methods of those who want to corrupt all our human sensibilities to prove that we are just animals after all. Look at what is offered to children as entertainment these days! A steady diet of violence and bloodshed. And we wonder why there is so much violence in schools!

We used to be above the animals in our moral capacity, but it seems that we have been led along by those with an ulterior motive. It’s time to wake up......isn’t it?

Here's a thought, pay attention to the ratings on movies, don't go to see anything likely to offend you, and stop worrying about everyone else so much.

 

[SomeRandom]

The entertainment industry began with what audiences wanted to see and hear because that is where the $$$$ were. But as we regress into more and more moral degradation, we see the appetites of audiences accepting more and more of what appeals to their base instincts....

In past decades, violence was moderated, as were sex scenes in the old movies. Consciences were not violated by them and censorship made sure that nothing offensive slipped through. You could watch movies with your children with relative confidence......but all that has changed.

You only have to check out the ratings now to see that what was once rated “G” doesn’t really exist anymore (except in some nature documentaries perhaps) and that what is rated “PG” now use to be rated for “Adults Only”. “Adult” movies now were once rated “R”. Only ‘deviates’ watched those kinds of movies.

It is an indicator of where our sensibilities have been taken. We never used to hear bad language in movies....now the “F” bomb is dropped repeatedly as it is commonly used in everyday speech by practically everyone. It may be common, but that doesn’t make it acceptable to everyone. I have never used bad language like that and neither do my kids. JW’s do not follow the world’s standards.

Gratuitous sex and violence are now part of most movies and people find nothing offensive in them these days....why? Because human standards have dropped to a level where nothing shocks them anymore. If nothing shocks or offends us, then humans have become completely desensitised and can get away with more and more aberrant behaviour. How are we ‘entertained’ by this stuff? What does that say about us?

It is all part of the conditioning we have been experiencing in a world so used to violence and bloodshed that we no longer respond with outrage....we just accept it...like the frog in the pot....we don’t jump out, but are content to stay until we die. (morally)

Humanity is dying both morally and spiritually, and people are doing nothing to prevent it. Entertainment is a conditioning tool and we have succumbed to the insidious methods of those who want to corrupt all our human sensibilities to prove that we are just animals after all. Look at what is offered to children as entertainment these days! A steady diet of violence and bloodshed. And we wonder why there is so much violence in schools!

We used to be above the animals in our moral capacity, but it seems that we have been led along by those with an ulterior motive. It’s time to wake up......isn’t it?

I'm interested in what era of filmmaking you're referring to.
Violence has always been a part of cinema. Whether you're talking about the slapstick of Charlie Chaplin of the silent era. The weird psychedelic trippiness of early animation or the over the top violence from the Bond Franchise beginning as early as the 1940/50s. The slapstick of the Looney Tunes again as early as the 1940s or even earlier. The Three Stooges, who even got their own cartoon for some reason.
Society has always laughed at violence.
Comic books were pretty violent until the infamous Hays Code.
Spaghetti Westerns of the 50s didn't leave much to the imagination.
Early cinema was also adapting classical (and rather brutal) stories like Hunchback of Notre Dame, multiple times. All Quiet on the Western Front, Shakespeare etc. It also was quite the place for violent war propaganda during the World Wars. Even Walt Disney was dragged in on the action, though all he wanted to do was make family friendly entertainment.

The film considered to be the first in terms of constant editing and the first blockbuster is Birth of a Nation from 1915. May or may not have glorified the KKK and inadvertently lead to its reinstatement of power (oops.)
There were gangster films as early as the 1930s with violence, murder and mayhem. The hilarious lies and violence from Reefer Madness again from the 30s.
As for the F bomb. Pfft, as if swearing isn't found in classical entertainment. There are entire books dedicated to decoding the swear words from freaking Shakespeare and how awful each were in polite society. Classics nerds have forever laughed at the filthy dialogue from Chaucer or Shakespeare or the like.

And you want to talk to me about graphic violence? Try the Bible. My word, the stories from that are veritable nightmare fuel.

And I happen to watch a wide variety of cinema thank you very much. R, G, PG, M, M15, or MA15.

Early cinema is hardly moral. A lot of it is too racist to show youngings today. In fact even a lot of animation from that era, aimed for adults or children, would scare little kids today. I know I was petrified of this so called moral entertainment from yesteryear as a kid.
All that really happened was the effects got better and therefore more realistic.
Sex was always a part of cinema, it was just more underground in the early days. What passed for tantalising, merely upped its game.
But no, the vast majority of cinema is not full of gratuitous violence. Unless you only watch R rated material, in which case that's on you. There are plenty of wholesome, family friendly material. In fact there are entire TV channels and big budget studios dedicated to providing exactly that. Nickelodeon, Disney, Dreamworks, WB animation department, Pixar etc
Random aside, please let the Incredibles 2 be good!!!

Morals didn't change, we just got harder to impress. So film upped the ante
And please, you want real sex and violence, try the international scene. America is still a tad prudish in comparison.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

When you stop spending your hard earned cash on the crap you're be force fed, then those that produce for profit will start offering fare that you may find more palatable.

When? In my life time? Ever?

 

[Sha'irullah]

Time tick pick up a good book

I am actually a bibliophile mainly due to this. I loved books but around 6 years ago it hit an all time high and I slowly switched my favorite medium of entertainment.

 

[Sha'irullah]

I can diagnose what's wrong here.....
You have unrealistically high expectations.

I prescribe therapy....
Work on lowering your expectations.
Remind yourself that throughout the entire history of movies, every single year yielded mostly clinkers.
When you see a movie, have no preconceptions about quality what it will do.
See each with fresh eyes.
But if you expect one to be bad, don't watch it.
(There are better uses for your time.)
Judge quality by the occasional gem you find.
And even substandard movies can have something to enjoy.
I'm reminded of The Year Of Living Dangerously......
An ordinary movie wherein the stars were meh,
But Linda Hunt's performance was a joy to watch.

The opposite, I have low expectations which is why I do not watch trailers for the most part. I actually take films and compare them to chronological shifts and cultural blocks. I would take a film like The Bourne SUpremacy and compare it to The Man From Nowhere. This is the deciding factor for me as I love watching low-key films and finding obscure titles with seemingly little to no worth.

A favorite film of mine is actually a pretty cheap one called The Gravedancers. This is one of my favorite horror films and I consider it a great film based off cinematography alone.