My Fellowman is Insane

[sun rise]

"It is no sign of mental health to be well adjusted to an insane society." -- Jiddu Krishnamurti

There is a Sufi story about madness I quite enjoy with at least one moral: THE WATER OF MADNESS (a Sufi tale), Tell Me a Story

 

[Thief]

There's a book that may help you;:The Sane Society (1955) by Erich Fromm

It is naively assumed that the fact that the majority of people share certain ideas or feelings proves the validity of these ideas and feelings. Nothing is further from the truth. Consensual validation as such has no bearing whatsoever on reason or mental health. Just as there is a folie à deux there is a folie à millions. The fact that millions of people share the same vices does not make these vices virtues, the fact that they share so many errors does not make the errors to be truths, and the fact that millions of people share the same mental pathology does not make these people sane.

Or you could watch the interview with the author below;

yep.....and I look to Hitler as a prime example

 

[Thief]

I'm liking all of this....
sorry if I skipped you on the emoticons.....you are included

oh!.....if we all stand in agreement
that Man is insane......

hmmmmmm

 

[Grandliseur]

and God allows it

is there any hope?

Some people are deceived by insane claims. That is not the same as being insane. Though, one wonders at times.

I have a long time acquaintance who has begun to preach the flat earth. The concept is insane; he is not, as far as I can tell. He just doesn't go through the problem in a practical, mechanical manner to make sure what is and isn't true.

Atheists believe that complex things make themselves; the concept is insane, but most of them are not. Their agenda and life choices make it impossible for them to accept that God exists for it would force them to make changes in their lives.

 

[JustWondering]

Some people are deceived by insane claims. That is not the same as being insane. Though, one wonders at times.

That's basically how I view theists.

I have a long time acquaintance who has begun to preach the flat earth. The concept is insane; he is not, as far as I can tell. He just doesn't go through the problem in a practical, mechanical manner to make sure what is and isn't true.

Have you examined YOUR supernatural belief system that has no evidence to support it using a practical, mechanical manner to make sure what is and isn't true?

Atheists believe that complex things make themselves; the concept is insane, but most of them are not. Their agenda and life choices make it impossible for them to accept that God exists for it would force them to make changes in their lives.

Since you claim to know me so well what is my agenda for not believing in your absent and invisible god? If I thought for one second some god actually existed that was handing out eternal, happy life to people I'd get in line. You know what they say though "If it sounds too good to be true it probably isn't". You can spend your life wasting your time obeying an invisible, absent god (and the middle men who claim to speak on it's behalf) and giving your money to god's supposed middle men who supposedly speak on it's behalf. Have fun with that.

 

[Father Heathen]

God allows it so that we may overcome it on our own. Intervention stifles the leveling up process.

 

[LukeS]

A dysfunctional concept of reality causing serious harm.

 

[Thief]

God allows it.....He gave Man dominion

the insanity comes from misguided thinking
and we could.....
Do unto others as we would have it done unto ourselves

and most of the misbehavior would dissipate

 

[JustWondering]

God allows it.....He gave Man dominion

the insanity comes from misguided thinking
and we could.....
Do unto others as we would have it done unto ourselves

and most of the misbehavior would dissipate

The do unto others thing loses something if you claim it comes from a god that puts itself above following its own rules.

 

[LukeS]

If only arguments have a roll to play, but I prefer to discuss foundations.

 

[oldbadger]

and God allows it

is there any hope?

It's not that we're all insane, it's that we came out of and exist in CHAOS!

The answer to all Natural Success is Chaos.

But @Revoltingest seems pretty daft, it's true....

 

[corynski]

Some people are deceived by insane claims. That is not the same as being insane. Though, one wonders at times.

I have a long time acquaintance who has begun to preach the flat earth. The concept is insane; he is not, as far as I can tell. He just doesn't go through the problem in a practical, mechanical manner to make sure what is and isn't true.

Atheists believe that complex things make themselves; the concept is insane, but most of them are not. Their agenda and life choices make it impossible for them to accept that God exists for it would force them to make changes in their lives.

Grandllseur, you apparently don't know any atheists, to make such a generalization. And why would I accept an unreality such as a 'god', the existence of which can not be proven. Such arrogance..... Tell me, why would a 'perfect' being, a 'god', create imperfection? Is it even possible for perfection to create imperfection? It's simple to understand atheists, they are interested in reality, and not a single god has been proved to exist. The arrogance of religious believers is blinding, and you're completely blinded regarding the very reality that you live in.

 

[corynski]

God allows it.....He gave Man dominion

the insanity comes from misguided thinking
and we could.....
Do unto others as we would have it done unto ourselves

and most of the misbehavior would dissipate

Thief, the 'do unto others as we would have it done unto ourselves' was likely in existence long before your god came into existence, it's sort of basic common sense isn't it? You don't need a god to know that if you crap in your neighbor's yard, or mess with his wife and kids, etc., etc. You know what I'm saying? Consider rather that you are living a myth, and that your religion was imposed upon you as a helpless child by parents and priests for cultural reasons, and not because it was true, or real. It 'worked', sort of, in the past, but a whole social class evolved around it, until they gained enough power to control the entire system. The middle ages and the catholic church is an example of belief gone bad........

 

[Grandliseur]

That's basically how I view theists.

Have you examined YOUR supernatural belief system that has no evidence to support it using a practical, mechanical manner to make sure what is and isn't true?

Since you claim to know me so well what is my agenda for not believing in your absent and invisible god? If I thought for one second some god actually existed that was handing out eternal, happy life to people I'd get in line. You know what they say though "If it sounds too good to be true it probably isn't". You can spend your life wasting your time obeying an invisible, absent god (and the middle men who claim to speak on it's behalf) and giving your money to god's supposed middle men who supposedly speak on it's behalf. Have fun with that.

There is a phrase, 'having a change of heart.'

I think it adequately describes what goes on in a person. It is neither from myself, nor from you, that other people can be changed. All such deep changes that changes a person's worldview have to happen within that person, come from their own desires.

When you ask me I have examined my system, the question reflects back on yourself, naturally. My older brother is an atheist, or agnostic, his children all have very disparaging views on believers. I grew up in a country devoted to customs and evolution. So, have I examined myself - most assuredly I have.

 

[Grandliseur]

Grandllseur, you apparently don't know any atheists, to make such a generalization. And why would I accept an unreality such as a 'god', the existence of which can not be proven. Such arrogance..... Tell me, why would a 'perfect' being, a 'god', create imperfection? Is it even possible for perfection to create imperfection? It's simple to understand atheists, they are interested in reality, and not a single god has been proved to exist. The arrogance of religious believers is blinding, and you're completely blinded regarding the very reality that you live in.

My uncle could for good reasons not understand why God permits suffering. The subject of God and why this, and why that - is complex. Some people cannot accept some of the reasons given for this.

It is always up to the individual what he believes. Otherwise, why would there be said to be 30000 C. denominations.
If you do have a specific question - I would be happy to answer. My answer might be - 'it is unknown' or, some such, or you might get a reason for it from the Bible's teachings.

It's up to you to ask me something - or not. Since I just came away with a blinding headache trying to convince someone the earth is not flat, I totally do not expect anything earth-changing thing to happen as a result of any exchange.

 

[DavidFirth]

Who wants to be sane? Josef Stalin was supposedly sane.

 

[Thief]

Thief, the 'do unto others as we would have it done unto ourselves' was likely in existence long before your god came into existence, it's sort of basic common sense isn't it? You don't need a god to know that if you crap in your neighbor's yard, or mess with his wife and kids, etc., etc. You know what I'm saying? Consider rather that you are living a myth, and that your religion was imposed upon you as a helpless child by parents and priests for cultural reasons, and not because it was true, or real. It 'worked', sort of, in the past, but a whole social class evolved around it, until they gained enough power to control the entire system. The middle ages and the catholic church is an example of belief gone bad........

have you seen the evening news lately

 

[Thief]

It's not that we're all insane, it's that we came out of and exist in CHAOS!

The answer to all Natural Success is Chaos.

But @Revoltingest seems pretty daft, it's true....

granted....@ Revoltingest......he seems a bit off

and what if we all survive the last breath and no One is in charge?

mind to mind and heart to heart
we will see each other as we truly are
even into dreams

 

[oldbadger]

granted....@ Revoltingest......he seems a bit off

and what if we all survive the last breath and no One is in charge?

Well, when my last breaths are coming, and if I can still be aware, and if my faith holds true, I shall close out this world and smile to my Deity....... I know she exists. We call her Mother Nature.
I was dead for billions of years and it was alright. I can be dead again....... and dead yet again.......who knows?

mind to mind and heart to heart
we will see each other as we truly are
even into dreams

Ah ha..... The ultimate goal....... to know thyself? Yeah.

 

[Thief]

Well, when my last breaths are coming, and if I can still be aware, and if my faith holds true, I shall close out this world and smile to my Deity....... I know she exists. We call her Mother Nature.
I was dead for billions of years and it was alright. I can be dead again....... and dead yet again.......who knows?


Ah ha..... The ultimate goal....... to know thyself? Yeah.

and to stand.....before the Almighty