My Problem With the "God Did It" Explanation for the Existence of the Universe

[aymen amir]

1. The Quran is not a science book, it is a mythology book.

2. Doesn't make any difference if the book is 1400 years old or not, it's not like that is old enough to witness the creation of the universe and attest to it.

yes its not a scientific book but it has some scientific verses ..
it would make a difference if it is 1400 years old because there are things mentioned in it which have been discovered only a few 100 years ago

 

[McBell]

On the contrary.....
Or perhaps you would to see again....cause and effect...at length.

Ah, still pushing your cause and effect nonsense I see.

I think we've done this under a different thread topic.

Yep, to bad you did not learn anything.

You didn't do well then.
It won't be any easier for you now.

Actually it will be much easier this time around.
I know that you are merely spouting nonsensical bull **** this time around.

 

[McBell]

yes its not a scientific book but it has some scientific verses ..

Only if you take full advantage of the Forer Effect, twist what is written to mean something completely different, and ignore all facts that interfere with your belief.

BUt we have already seen how people are more than capable of doing just that.

it would make a difference if it is 1400 years old because there are things mentioned in it which have been discovered only a few 100 years ago

Is this statement made from ignorance or is it a bold faced lie?

 

[aymen amir]

Only if you take full advantage of the Forer Effect, twist what is written to mean something completely different, and ignore all facts that interfere with your belief.

BUt we have already seen how people are more than capable of doing just that.


Is this statement made from ignorance or is it a bold faced lie?

how about the shape of the earth ... please tell me when was it discovered that the earth was not flat ???

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

how about the shape of the earth ... please tell me when was it discovered that the earth was not flat ???

Well, since Eratosthenes measured the Earth's circumference in the 3rd Century BC (or about 700 years before the Quran was written)... some time before that.

 

[tumbleweed41]

how about the shape of the earth ... please tell me when was it discovered that the earth was not flat ???

When intelligent men looked at the horizon.
Specifically, as far as recorded history is concerned, around the 6th century BCE in Greek philosophy.
(About 1200 years before the Quran)

 

[McBell]

how about the shape of the earth ... please tell me when was it discovered that the earth was not flat ???

Well, since Eratosthenes measured the Earth's circumference in the 3rd Century BC (or about 700 years before the Quran was written)... some time before that.

When intelligent men looked at the horizon.
Specifically, as far as recorded history is concerned, around the 6th century BCE in Greek philosophy.
(About 1200 years before the Quran)

I have to wonder, aymen amir, are you really that desperate to have your arse handed to you?

I mean, just look at any of the threads where some Muslim tried that whole "Science In The Koran" nonsense and had his arse handed to him at every single turn.

 

[aymen amir]

yeah i know that's why i just left the argument

 

[McBell]

yeah i know that's why i just left the argument

It wasn't an argument.
It was an intellectual slaughtering.
Every single thing that was presented to "prove" the science in the Koran was shown to have been already known or nothing more than wishful thinking.

 

[MSizer]

So now that all of that silliness is out of the way, can anyone explain to me how the big mystery the existing is explained by "God did it"?

 

[RomCat]

God is simple because He is the first, the completely
independent source of all being.
He is eternal and He alone; eternal with that absolute,
complete eternity of a divinely unchangeable being
Companion To The Summa Vol 1 Chapter 3

 

[Draka]

God is simple because He is the first, the completely
independent source of all being.
He is eternal and He alone; eternal with that absolute,
complete eternity of a divinely unchangeable being
Companion To The Summa Vol 1 Chapter 3

What's the source of god? How can anything so complex and wonderous come from nothing? I mean, isn't that the argument of creationists in the first place when talking of the universe or life itself? Why is the question valid for those topics but not for god?

 

[Jose Fly]

God is simple because He is the first, the completely
independent source of all being.
He is eternal and He alone; eternal with that absolute,
complete eternity of a divinely unchangeable being
Companion To The Summa Vol 1 Chapter 3

Wait a sec...others are telling us that god is beyond comprehension, yet here you are telling us these sorts of things. Which is it?

 

[RomCat]

God always was and always will be.
There is no beginning and no end
with God; there is only the NOW.

 

[MSizer]

God is simple because He is the first, the completely
independent source of all being.
He is eternal and He alone; eternal with that absolute,
complete eternity of a divinely unchangeable being
Companion To The Summa Vol 1 Chapter 3

Why can't theists get their story straight? Some say God is complicated, some say he's simple.

May I have some evidence please for either claim? I hate when people say "God is....." and leave it at that. Would you accept it if I simply said "God is not....." and didn't give any reason for my claim?

Quotations from holy texts don't impress me either. I can read, and I've read most of the catholic bible, and much of the koran. It's not as though I'm criticizing claims I haven't heard before.

 

[Draka]

Better yet, how can anyone say "god is" when god "is" supposedly incomprehensible? Shoot, how do we comprehend enough to even imagine what "incomprehensible" is?

 

[MSizer]

God always was and always will be..

God never was and never will be.

There is no beginning and no end.

There was a beginning and will be an end.

with God; there is only the NOW.

With God, now doesn't exist.

There, now that we see how far unsubstantiated claims take us, can we actually have a discussion?

 

[RomCat]

"Phillip, Phillip. How can thou sayest 'Show us the Father'?"
"Phillip, the Father and I are One. He who sees Me sees
the Father also. The Father and I are One!"
Jesus Of Nazereth

 

[MSizer]

"Phillip, Phillip. How can thou sayest 'Show us the Father'?"
"Phillip, the Father and I are One. He who sees Me sees
the Father also. The Father and I are One!"
Jesus Of Nazereth

OK look, seriously RomCat, you're not even being coherent now. Please stop contributing if you're simply going to blabber on senseless claims which neither apply to the OP nor have any supporting evidence. Seriously.

 

[Jose Fly]

He's preaching, not engaging in a discussion.