My question to Dem Voters: do you like banking and financial élites?

[Revoltingest]

I didn't say "control". I didn't say "military".

I said they have stocks in the companies producing warfare.

More wars = more sales = more billions of dollars.

Again, the evidence you've presented is....uh....oh....once again, no evidence.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Rich people like Elon Musk are attached to the banking elites, due to practical necessity. The more money you have, the higher up the banking food chain, you need to go to get full services, at the best rates. The DNC power structure is more upper middle class to almost rich snobs, who want to play in that biggest pool, that they do not organically belong too. Their place in that pool is not organic, but is based on shady dealings and bribes; quid pro quo.

The DNC are pretentious, which is why Obama and others at the top, like to be among celebrities. Harris paid Oprah, $1Million, to pretend be a supporter. A true supporter would have donated her time to the cause. Banking elites are like celebrities in their own circles. The DNC uses power; threat of regulations, to be able get in and hob knob.

Trump does not need to shakedown or bride, to be get in that club. He already belonged before he was President. It is those below that class, who wish to hob snob, that are the most worrisome, since they need to go over board to weasel their way in.

The DNC, is now the Party of the rich; Hollywood celebrities, High Tech Oligarchs, and Wall Street, which is why they left the middle class, stranded. It was part of their pretend pact; one or the other. The rich have money for donations and golden parachutes, but lack the number of votes needed to win elections. Trump is unique in that he can fit in at the two extremes in an organic way. Trump does not have to be pretentious, which is why people of all demographics like him and see him as real.

You seem to be talking about tactics here. Trump just doesn't need the tactics of the Democrats because he created a cult of personality. He is a super entertaining character.

But when it comes to goals and such, both Republicans and Democrats are aligned with the banking elite and the only reason one of them would dethrone the elite is to replace them. Voters are just puppets and are a currency for both parties to attain power. The only person, I think, who actually cared about the working class and socialism was Bernie Sanders, and the republican voters didn't care about him at all.

 

[Koldo]

You're speaking of the Neo-Cons, not of MAGAs.

You must watch this then:

 

[Estro Felino]

I don't think very many ordinary people in general are big fans of the banking elites - Democrats or otherwise.

That's true.

On the other hand... dems cannot pretend they are on the average Joe's side...because they are ordered by a certain circle of technocrats, to implement economic legislations that help banks exploit the average Joe's work, so the average Joe can save nothing.

 

[Estro Felino]

You must watch this then:

I have already watched it...
That's not the only occasion.

He has his own ideas...and by the way, he's not totally wrong. Socialism implemented by incompetent people can be destructive.
You need to study and to have a functioning plan.

 

[Estro Felino]

You must watch this then:

One question.
If you had to choose as political mentor between Rousseff and Milei, whom would you choose?

(I doubt you'll answer).

 

[Koldo]

I have already watched it...
That's not the only occasion.

He has his own ideas...and by the way, he's not totally wrong. Socialism implemented by incompetent people can be destructive.
You need to study and to have a functioning plan.

He is 100% opposed to socialism. No matter if competent people are involved or not.

 

[Koldo]

One question.
If you had to choose as political mentor between Rousseff and Milei, whom would you choose?

(I doubt you'll answer).

Dilma Rousseff, without a shadow of doubt.

 

[Estro Felino]

He is 100% opposed to socialism. No matter if competent people are involved or not.

I disagree with him, then.

 

[Estro Felino]

Dilma Rousseff, without a shadow of doubt.

That's a relief...
very competent woman about macroeconomics.
But when there are so many enemies and élites...well...

 

[Stevicus]

MAGA's and Neo-Cons both fear socialism.

You might not like Democrats "affordable" but Republicans, including MAGA are completely against free healthcare.

The Amish voted Republican because they are super conservative in values, not because of any other policy. And the far right religious folk vote Republican so it makes sense that the Amish would vote for the religiously conservative party.

You make no sense. You can't be pro socialism and support Trump and the Republicans because they are absolutely against socialism.

I don't really see that any major political party or faction is really for socialism in any significant way. Although they're not exactly laissez-faire anarcho-capitalists either. Most factions appear to support a mixed economy, with varying degrees of public and private ownership. They also seem to differ on tax rates and to what degree government regulation is useful or warranted in the private sector.

They both ostensibly want to regulate the private sector and even people's private lives, yet in different areas, depending on their cultural beliefs and moral values. They're never really that consistent with their own stated principles, instead choosing to live within a morass of different shades of gray and expecting everyone to recognize those various shades.

 

[Koldo]

I don't really see that any major political party or faction is really for socialism in any significant way. Although they're not exactly laissez-faire anarcho-capitalists either. Most factions appear to support a mixed economy, with varying degrees of public and private ownership. They also seem to differ on tax rates and to what degree government regulation is useful or warranted in the private sector.

They both ostensibly want to regulate the private sector and even people's private lives, yet in different areas, depending on their cultural beliefs and moral values. They're never really that consistent with their own stated principles, instead choosing to live within a morass of different shades of gray and expecting everyone to recognize those various shades.

I agree with you. However, and @Estro Felino might not be aware of this, whenever there is a major social program being proposed at the federal level you can count on the Democratic party being the one who proposes it (and at least partially supports it) and the Republican party opposing it: universal health care and student loan forgiveness, for example.

 

[Stevicus]

That's true.

On the other hand... dems cannot pretend they are on the average Joe's side...because they are ordered by a certain circle of technocrats, to implement economic legislations that help banks exploit the average Joe's work, so the average Joe can save nothing.

I think it was the Republicans who favored such policies at first, and then the Democrats just jumped on that bandwagon when they found they couldn't win without doing that. Kind of sad, in a way, although maybe it was the practical move to bring them back from the doldrums they were experiencing in the 1980s.

But ever since then, I recognized that they're both kind of stuck in the same game and they're just players trying to angle for position. Even politicians who might go in for the right reasons, they'll still play the game and justify it by saying that they can at least get some good for their own district or constituency. If they have to suck up to the wealthy to get them to support school lunch programs or aid to the poor, then they might justify themselves on that basis.

I think they took the average Joe for granted. They don't even live in the same world as the average Joe.

 

[Estro Felino]

I agree with you. However, and @Estro Felino might not be aware of this, whenever there is a major social program being proposed at the federal level you can count on the Democratic party being the one who proposes it (and at least partially supports it) and the Republican party opposing it: universal health care and student loan forgiveness, for example.

Milei has studied economics.

Do you believe this speech of his makes sense?

 

[F1fan]

No...it's more serious than you think.
But I don't want to make an incredibly technical thread. I want as many people as possible to understand how great Trump is.

The Fed is in crisis? No, Trump being elected is a crisis.

Trump is critical of the Fed chief? Irrelevant, Trump is an idiot. Trump thinks tariffs are a good idea. What the Fed has done has helped reduce the inflation in the USA, and helped stabilize the economy. Trump wants wants easy money at cheap rates, and this will fuel the enomony and inflation. This might be good for big business in the shiort term, but the middle class and poor will face higher prices and likley a recession if the economy gets too hot. Trump is an idiot, like a cat that gets distracted by a toy for 5 minutes.

 

[Estro Felino]

The Fed is in crisis? No, Trump being elected is a crisis.

Trump is critical of the Fed chief? Irrelevant, Trump is an idiot. Trump thinks tariffs are a good idea. What the Fed has done has helped reduce the inflation in the USA, and helped stabilize the economy. Trump wants wants easy money at cheap rates, and this will fuel the enomony and inflation. This might be good for big business in the shiort term, but the middle class and poor will face higher prices and likley a recession if the economy gets too hot. Trump is an idiot, like a cat that gets distracted by a toy for 5 minutes.

The Monetarist nonsense I read every day.

Yeah...sure. I believe in neo-Keynesian ideas.

 

[F1fan]

The Monetarist nonsense I read every day.

Yeah...sure. I believe in neo-Keynesian ideas.

Thanks for letting us know that neo-Keynesian ideas are horrible and should not be implemented.

 

[Estro Felino]

Thanks for letting us know that neo-Keynesian ideas are horrible and should not be implemented.

Money exists in order to be spent.

More money = more demand for goods and services = more profits for businesses

 

[Koldo]

Milei has studied economics.

Do you believe this speech of his makes sense?

Talks about the central bank are often above my pay grade, however... Milei opposes Argentina having a central bank and I think this would turn into a massive problem. Given Milei's proposal to use USD as the standard currency, it would turn Argentina into a country with an economy that can be completely screwed by the USA...

 

[Estro Felino]

Talks about the central bank are often above my pay grade, however... Milei opposes Argentina having a central bank and I think this would turn into a massive problem. Given Milei's proposal to use USD as the standard currency, it would turn Argentina into a country with an economy that can be completely screwed by the USA...

I don't think there can be a honest and healthy debate with Milei.

I would ask him: Argentina produces so much food, it is the number one in the meat market, but there are still millions of poor people.

Maybe the currency, the National Bank are just irrelevant, because the problem here is : maldistribution of wealth (GDP)?

That is, that the billions gained through the production are hidden, or subtracted or in the hands of very very very few people.