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My question to Dem Voters: do you like banking and financial élites?

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
I would like to understand what Orban does that she doesn't do.
Undermining of the constitution, undermining the justice system, taking control of media,...

There's a gradual dismantling going on of democratic institutions and democratic checks and balances.
The lines that separate the powers of state (crucial to guarantee and safeguard civil liberties and guard against tyranny) are blurring and consciously being dismantled.

Such thing are also why the rating of Hungary has gone from "free" to "partly free" in recent years.
Hungarian liberty and democracy is in a downwards spiral and this is a direct result of a conscious effort by Orban and his cronies to undermine democracy and hold on to power to literally transition into sham democracy with an authoritarian leader, in the example of his hero Putin.

Frankly I'm disappointed in the EU that they don't act swiftly with great resolve to sanction them for it.
Not that I feel like they should intervene there. But there should be severe consequences for such. Countries that act like that wouldn't be able to join the EU. So why should the EU tolerate countries that are already members to start acting like that?

They shouldn't.

If it were upto me, first there should be severe sanctions with a firm deadline in place for turning stuff around.
And if things don't improve within that timeframe, kicking them out would have to be an option.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Undermining of the constitution, undermining the justice system, taking control of media,...

There's a gradual dismantling going on of democratic institutions and democratic checks and balances.
The lines that separate the powers of state (crucial to guarantee and safeguard civil liberties and guard against tyranny) are blurring and consciously being dismantled.

Such thing are also why the rating of Hungary has gone from "free" to "partly free" in recent years.
Hungarian liberty and democracy is in a downwards spiral and this is a direct result of a conscious effort by Orban and his cronies to undermine democracy and hold on to power to literally transition into sham democracy with an authoritarian leader, in the example of his hero Putin.

Frankly I'm disappointed in the EU that they don't act swiftly with great resolve to sanction them for it.
Not that I feel like they should intervene there. But there should be severe consequences for such. Countries that act like that wouldn't be able to join the EU. So why should the EU tolerate countries that are already members to start acting like that?

They shouldn't.

If it were upto me, first there should be severe sanctions with a firm deadline in place for turning stuff around.
And if things don't improve within that timeframe, kicking them out would have to be an option.
Italy is 100 times more Russophiliac than Hungary... which underwent the Soviet yoke for decades.

By the way... it is the EU that has a problem. Hungary is perfect. Utterly perfect.

1) The EU has too many technocrats that obey banking élites
2) In the EU banksters and warmongers are allowed into the EU buildings of power.
3) The Sorosian framework has invaded the EU.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Italy is 100 times more Russophiliac than Hungary... which underwent the Soviet yoke for decades.

By the way... it is the EU that has a problem. Hungary is perfect. Utterly perfect.

1) The EU has too many technocrats that obey banking élites
2) In the EU banksters and warmongers are allowed into the EU buildings of power.
3) The Sorosian framework has invaded the EU.
Yeah, as I said.... you glorify authoritarianism.
You don't like free society, liberty and democracy.
You don't like free press, independent courts, respect for secular constitutions.

We get it.

If you think Hungary and Russia etc are so perfect, perhaps you should move there.

I predict you'll change your mind about how "perfect" it is to actually live in.

In flanders, we have a saying to describe people like you. It's "azijn pisser".
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
You don't like free society, liberty and democracy.
Absolutely not.
Especially a laissez-faire that gives freedom to banksters.
You don't like free press, independent courts, respect for secular constitutions.
As for freedom of thought, I am totally for it.
But again...I live in Italy. Not in Hungary.
If you think Hungary and Russia etc are so perfect, perhaps you should move there.
No, dear... the banksters have to leave the EU. Not me.
My country is a founding member of the EU.
In flanders, we have a saying to describe people like you. It's "azijn pisser".
A pisse-vinaigre?
;)
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Absolutely not.
Especially a laissez-faire that gives freedom to banksters.

As for freedom of thought, I am totally for it.
But again...I live in Italy. Not in Hungary.

No, dear... the banksters have to leave the EU. Not me.
My country is a founding member of the EU.

A pisse-vinaigre?
;)
Your claims are in direct contradiction with calling Orban's Hungary "perfect".

Well, that, or you have fallen prey to massive disinformation of what goes on in Hungary.
Which wouldn't be surprising, considering how you clearly have swallowed up Russian propaganda also.

I mean, you even think the sham "referendums" in eastern Ukraine were legit. You, along with North Korea. :shrug::tearsofjoy:
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Your claims are in direct contradiction with calling Orban's Hungary "perfect".

Well, that, or you have fallen prey to massive disinformation of what goes on in Hungary.
Which wouldn't be surprising, considering how you clearly have swallowed up Russian propaganda also.
Hungary is a beautiful, Catholic country.
A haven for European and American Conservatives.

As for Russia... you probably have never been to Italy. You would have realized how Russophiles Italians are.

I mean, you even think the sham "referendums" in eastern Ukraine were legit. You, along with North Korea. :shrug::tearsofjoy:
Yes, they were.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
My main bank, Old National, celebrates
its 190th year this month. I hope to be
around to enjoy their 200th.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Hungary is a beautiful, Catholic country.
A haven for European and American Conservatives.

I'm not talking about how Hungary looks but how it is run.

As for Russia... you probably have never been to Italy. You would have realized how Russophiles Italians are.
I have no use for going to italy to learn about russia.

Yes, they were.
Yes, we know you think so. You and North Korea. That about sums it up.
So you're in great company :facepalm:
 
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