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"My Son is Gay"
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modernmoonlight
Seriously Ridiculous
What do murderers and rapists have to do with anything??
tinujatinpatel
New Member
You do not understand the bible or have misinterpreted. All sin is forgiveable even being GAY. If you son wants to be normal than GOD's will is to help him become that. It no different than an addiction to porn or masterbation with the lust of many women. You son needs to acknowledge that it is wrong. If he thinks its not sin then he is not saved. Therefore try to give him background information on why GOD thinks its a sin and give similarities that equate it to sexual perversion. Even when I was about 8-10 years old I thought of women in a sexual desire. It was sin to have fornication in my mind and I knew it but thought I was powerless. Let me know that he can overcome this as a challenge on his life. For me it was fornication and polio. I hope I have provided you a clear understanding of just what is meant by the bible.
tinujatinpatel
New Member
The secret is every man knows what is right and wrong with the use of there conscious. They know there is a GOD but are prideful to admit it. Assume for a moment that this person dies and now stands at the feet of GOD. GOD asks two questons.
1. Did you believe in me or did you think you were going to die anyway?
His answer: A. I didn't want to believe in you because that meant I was wrong. I can't have that.
B I did believe in you and thought since you made me this way it wasn't my fault. I have no control over my sexual desires.
2. GOD's answer - A. Son I love you but you pride hurts me more than anything. I have to send you to hell.
B. If you believe in me, which version did you believe in. All versions of me are against Gays. Did I ever tell you it was OK in a clear and loud voice. Since I did not, did you consider the fact you might be wrong? Did you not see how I designed male and female. I think you imagined a fairy God. Since I cannot manufacturer a fairy GOD and you did not ask for my help and have faith in me, I must send you to hell and destruction.
Why I believe these things
Explanation: First water is pure. When you are in the presence of GOD your thoughts and body must be as pure has H2O. Only then will GOD drink you into heaven. Remember you will not drink water if it even has one part of human feces in it. Why should GOD?
However, God is unfair to himself and has decided to sacrifice himself on the cross for all those sins. All you have to do is acknowledge you are a sinner. How hard can this get? ? ? ?
1. Did you believe in me or did you think you were going to die anyway?
His answer: A. I didn't want to believe in you because that meant I was wrong. I can't have that.
B I did believe in you and thought since you made me this way it wasn't my fault. I have no control over my sexual desires.
2. GOD's answer - A. Son I love you but you pride hurts me more than anything. I have to send you to hell.
B. If you believe in me, which version did you believe in. All versions of me are against Gays. Did I ever tell you it was OK in a clear and loud voice. Since I did not, did you consider the fact you might be wrong? Did you not see how I designed male and female. I think you imagined a fairy God. Since I cannot manufacturer a fairy GOD and you did not ask for my help and have faith in me, I must send you to hell and destruction.
Why I believe these things
Explanation: First water is pure. When you are in the presence of GOD your thoughts and body must be as pure has H2O. Only then will GOD drink you into heaven. Remember you will not drink water if it even has one part of human feces in it. Why should GOD?
However, God is unfair to himself and has decided to sacrifice himself on the cross for all those sins. All you have to do is acknowledge you are a sinner. How hard can this get? ? ? ?
tinujatinpatel
New Member
All sins are forgiven to those who repent. Repent means that you acknowledge you are a sinner and need to turn away from it with GOD's help. GOD helps by increasing your will power to overcome. He does not do it entirely because he wants you to know that he alone can make your clean. At our church many gays have went straight by the power of GOD but it was through prayer and the individual faith. (Not science).
Although one day I believe science will have the patent rights from GOD to cure all gays but some actually don't want it. That's like offering a cure to the fornicators who are happy having sex with mulitple women.
What will the devil think of next?? ? ? ? ?
Although one day I believe science will have the patent rights from GOD to cure all gays but some actually don't want it. That's like offering a cure to the fornicators who are happy having sex with mulitple women.
What will the devil think of next?? ? ? ? ?
Autodidact
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I just think it's so nice when God's chosen prophet drops in to set the rest of us straight, don't you? Also a great model of Christian humility. Maybe tinu can tell us how he got the direct knowledge that's been denied to so many, and how he achieved clarity when so many are confused as to God's will.
Autodidact
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Also so great when someone tells us what we actually think. Not only does tinu have direct insight into God's will, he can also read our minds. We think that we believe that God doesn't exist, but tiny knows that we actually believe that He does, but are just too prideful to admit it. Unlike, say, tinu, who is so humble he only thinks he is the one person on earth who has perfect knowledge of God and other people's minds.
So, tinu, do you have an iota of evidence for any of this alleged knowledge? That is, you say that you know all this stuff--how do you know it?
Smoke
Done here.
I just think it's nice that I have an ignore button.
modernmoonlight
Seriously Ridiculous
Thank you, Tinu, for setting me straight. Clearly I hadn't realized that the Bible is the one and only source of all knowledge in the world. Since I don't accept that, I suppose I don't accept that you are God's prophet come down to save all of us blasphemers who believe that gay people are just as normal as straight people.
No one, not even the insane, would choose to exist in a manner that sets them apart from the majority and directly causes them to be ridiculed. Gay people are born gay--scientists have discovered gene sequences that determine sexual orientation- they are different for gay people and straight people. Being straight or gay is genetic. God created people and thus determined their genetic make-up. Who are you to discriminate against God's children? I hope God can save you from the sin of bigotry and narrow-mindedness--the same sins that oppressed African-Americans and women in this country for so long.
rheff78
I'm your huckleberry.
Gene-sequences? Genetic? Come on. I can point out as many scientific facts as you disproving that theory. What difference would it make anyway? If you're proud to be gay wouldn't you have wanted the choice to become gay than have gayness thrust upon you? Whatever though.
Autodidact
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Hold on to your seats. I agree with rheff. Since being gay is moral, it makes no difference whether is a matter of choice or not.
Of course, for most people it's not, but that's irrelevant.
Being Christian is a matter of choice, but most Christians think they should have the right to do it and not be discriminated against.
modernmoonlight
Seriously Ridiculous
Whatever. Don't believe science. It IS genetic. In 1990, the LeVay study found that a group of neurons in the interstitial nuclei of the anterior hypothalamus in the brain's hypothalamus gland is larger in gay men than in straight men. Secondly, scientists at both the University of Johannesburg and Salk Institute have found a direct link between the size of the hypothalamus gland and sexual orientation. The interstitial nuclei of the anterior hypothalamus (INAH), which is made up of 4 different cell groupings, is a different size in the male and female brain. The INAH-2 and INAH-3 are generally larger in men than in women, however, both regions in gay men are much smaller, and are rather similar in size to female INAH-2s and INAH-3s.
Also- Christians have a right to be Christian. But they have no right to go around passing judgment upon others. If they believe that the Christian way is allowing them to be moral, that's wonderful (and I mean that seriously, not sarcastically), but there are other ways than the Christian way. So, remaining true to the concept of choice, people should be allowed to believe what they will, and not be forced into believing what the self-righteous Christian says. Non-Christians also have a right to be non-Christian.
Furthermore, it's the intolerance I find in men like rheff that makes me ashamed to be a straight woman.
Just another point- it's not about gay pride--it's about personal pride. Everyone should be proud of who they are, not be forced to hide their true selves because of the discrimination and intolerance that sadly permeates 21st century America.
Also- Christians have a right to be Christian. But they have no right to go around passing judgment upon others. If they believe that the Christian way is allowing them to be moral, that's wonderful (and I mean that seriously, not sarcastically), but there are other ways than the Christian way. So, remaining true to the concept of choice, people should be allowed to believe what they will, and not be forced into believing what the self-righteous Christian says. Non-Christians also have a right to be non-Christian.
Furthermore, it's the intolerance I find in men like rheff that makes me ashamed to be a straight woman.
Just another point- it's not about gay pride--it's about personal pride. Everyone should be proud of who they are, not be forced to hide their true selves because of the discrimination and intolerance that sadly permeates 21st century America.
rheff78
I'm your huckleberry.
Intolerance huh? Well too bad you weren't born with a dimished INAH-2 or INAH-3 then you could be homosexual and not have to worry about me.
Seriously though, if science sets out to prove something then they will find a way to prove it. There was a story not too long ago about how the crusts of bread were proven to cause cancer. Too bad my mother never cut off the crusts.
It looks like there's a genetic component and a pre-natal hormonal or environmental component: I'm sure you've heard about more recent studies that show that the probability of homosexuality in boys increases as you go further along the birth order. If homosexuality was determined 100% by genetics, the distribution of sexual orientation would be the same for all offspring of one particular couple.
In any case, though, I think it's been fairly conclusively proven that sexual orientation is set by birth; the remaining debate now is about how much is genetic, and how much is environment in the womb.
Still, none of this has any bearing on the morality of homosexuality, IMO, except to refute the folks who claim "it's immoral because it's not natural", despite it being in fact natural (and despite that line of reasoning being horribly flawed).
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
Was it whole wheat or bleached stained and re-introduced with chemicals wheat comonnly known as "white flour"???..
White flour is poisionous..I dont know about the "burnt" edges...so much as I know you should never eat white flour...
(and Im a lover of soft white bread with bolagna and musturd)
Blessings
Dallas
modernmoonlight
Seriously Ridiculous
I agree with you on that--my friend and I were looking at those studies just recently--I should have included that in my post.
Basically, my whole point was to refute the "unnatural" claim that was made a while back in this thread. But I think it has bearing because the idea that there is even a debate about whether or not homosexuality is moral is ludicrous. We might as we be arguing whether being a person of color is moral. I mean, that's natural, and we can try to change it--bleach your skin, whatever-- but it doesn't work. Same idea.
modernmoonlight
Seriously Ridiculous
I'm female. Hence, my INAH-2 and INAH-3 are smaller than a straight male's... So if I were to be homosexual, those regions would have to be larger. It's nice to know that you barely glossed over my post. Funny how people tend to ignore evidence that proves something contrary to their skewed beliefs.
White bread IS a cause of cancer. Since it has a high Glycaemic Index, it triggers a surge in blood sugar and insulin levels, which has been shown to fuel cancer cell growth. The dramatic rise in blood sugar levels also releases carcinogenic chemicals. The theory is that cancer cells use these chemicals and the glucose to fuel their own unchecked, and therefore dangerous, growth.
Science. It works. And better than that, science gives you logical reasoning and hard data to back up all its claims.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
I think you misremembered. There is evidence to indicate that bread crusts prevent cancer. It's a good think your mother didn't cut off the crusts. Proving once again that science supports what your mom told you.
Are you trying to say that science is not a good way to learn about the world?
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
The people who want to reject science if something comes up that causes them pause..
Im wondering if your child fell down and bumped his head and went unconscious would you go to the emergency room???..If so why?...there is nothing but a bunch of procedures and medications and medical staff available to save your childs life as a result of science and technology.If they did a cat scan on your childs head and said he had a hemotoma would you say "I dont believe that because you used science to detect it"..??
Blessings
Dallas
Im wondering if your child fell down and bumped his head and went unconscious would you go to the emergency room???..If so why?...there is nothing but a bunch of procedures and medications and medical staff available to save your childs life as a result of science and technology.If they did a cat scan on your childs head and said he had a hemotoma would you say "I dont believe that because you used science to detect it"..??
Blessings
Dallas
Don Penguinoini
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Quit while you can Rheff...