Lisa Sims
Not BORN AGAIN Yet, But I'm On My WAY!
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Nature, Nurture or Soul?
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Lisa Sims
Not BORN AGAIN Yet, But I'm On My WAY!
Thank you.
It's not a belief that I care to hold on to. The Messages are adamant that no one in spirit has ever reincarnated. If you would care to tell me what the evidence is, I would see if I could find a Message that addresses the circumstances.
Thank you again!
So James Leninger as a kid would sign pictures of planes crashing into the ocean as James 3
He would tell his parents he was once a pilot that was on the USS Natoma, he flew a Corsair plane, he was shot down by the Japanese and died at Iwo Jima
He was afraid of water and drowning as he would have recurring nightmares of flying his plane, it crashing into the water and him dying
He’s quoted as saying “My airplane got shot in the engine, and I crashed in the ocean, that’s how I died”
And also quote “Jack Larsen was there”
Later the parents started to investigate and there was a James Houston Jr (that makes James Leninger James the 3rd, James 3)
James Houston flew off of the USS Natoma Bay, he was a Corsair pilot that was shot down by the Japanese
He was the only pilot killed during Iwo Jima
Eyewitnesses said James Houston’s plane was shot in the engine
The plane hit the water and sank
Jack Larsen was the pilot of the plane next to James Houston’s
This is one of around 2,000 example UVA found
Another one was a boy was born with a facial deformity and a missing ear
When asked about his deformity he said, he looked the way he did as he had shot himself with a shotgun in a past life
When he described the person and named them, they found that, that person had Infact shot himself with a shotgun
When doing comparisons of the entry and exit wounds
They discovered that the kids deformities matched exactly to entry and exit wounds
Also again many examples such as this in the UVA studies
Lisa Sims
Not BORN AGAIN Yet, But I'm On My WAY!
Jesus addressed the occurrence of children who have distinct memories of past lives and believe that they are that person. Children can be especially vulnerable to spirit influences and a spirit can attempt to "overshadow the child."
Jesus addresses the False Doctrine of Reincarnation
"...Yes there are many stories of individuals, even children, who have distinct memories of places and experiences in the material world and this is put forth as an example and proof of the existence of this doctrine. Yet there are many other explanations for this experience, certainly within children who are open vessels, receivers and transmitters of much information, both in the material plane and in the spirit world. Some are very mediumistic and receive the influence and thoughts of spirits that are around them. That connection may be forged with a spirit that has a deep need to overshadow that child. Therefore it is believed that they are truly that child...
...They have not demonstrated the truth of reincarnation but merely are deeply committed to this belief and continue to harbour a deep desire to return to Earth in the flesh..." Jesus, 5/20/2021
Jesus gives other explanations in this message, such as hypnosis (used in "past life regressions") opening as person up to receive spirit communications. And the "Akashic Record" which could be tapped into to derive information about another's life.
People used to believe in spirit influences and possession. Jesus had only two types of "miracles" that he performed, healing (including the apparently dead) and casting out evil spirits. People don't seem to want to believe there are interactions between spirits and mortals anymore and this doctrine of reincarnation somehow appeals to them. I do not believe people of even a few generations ago would have taken these occurrences so lightly. Or have been so quick to allow themselves to be hypnotized.
I'll keep looking...
gnostic
The Lost One
Define soul.
You will find that people from different religions and/or different spirituality, will have different views or definitions on the matters of soul.
I think Jews believe that Christians have misunderstood and misused genesis 2:7. The soul is human life, so the moment, Adam could breath, he was human, and that human is a “living soul”. The soul, from Jewish perspective, have nothing to do with the soul being a spirit of some kind.
So when a human is alive and breathing, then that human is a living soul.
Christians and Muslims have different views about soul, they define as spirit that becomes part of humans, but when the humans die, their spiritual soul leave them, for their God to judge them in the afterlife.
This afterlife, for the departed is actually from foreign polytheistic sources that originated from Egypt or from Sumer/Akkad/Babylonia. Many other polytheistic religions were influenced by Egyptian religion and by Mesopotamia religion, like the Greek and Roman religions have adopted them , but they have the Elysian Fields, their versions of the afterlife; or the Norse religion, like Valhalla or Gimlé and Iðavöllr, the Vikings‘ idea of heaven.
So Christianity and Islam are really based their afterlife and salvation on ancient polytheistic pagan mythology.
gnostic
The Lost One
Btw, @Lisa Sims
Egyptian religion have 3 ideas of what the human spirits are: ba, ka, & akh
look them up.
Egyptian religion have 3 ideas of what the human spirits are: ba, ka, & akh
look them up.
Lisa Sims
Not BORN AGAIN Yet, But I'm On My WAY!
I wanted to find an instance where an attached spirit could actually change the physical makeup of a child. I found this. I don't know yet if there are others.
Spirit who believed in reincarnation
"...I was a Theosophist and I wanted to reincarnate to be great. I got into a child’s body and crippled it, and also crippled my mind and that of the child. I stayed in the child because I did not know how to get out. I acted as a child and I could not talk.
I know I passed out of my mortal body some years ago, far away in India, but I do not realize when it took place. I wanted so much to reincarnate and to come back to this earth life to live my other Karma.
Do not hold on to the thought of coming back. but look for something higher, for the state I was in was the worst torture anybody could have..." 11/19/1916
If I find another instance of physical change like this in the Messages, I'll post it.
Blessings...
Lisa Sims
Not BORN AGAIN Yet, But I'm On My WAY!
Greetings, and thank you.
My source for the definition of "soul" is Jesus' Second Coming Message Series From Spirit, 1914 to present.
When God created man, He created only souls in His own image in the heavens, as He is Soul. He endowed them with "natural love" and other attributes similar to some of His Divine Attributes. There is no "spark of the Divine" in souls as many people believe.
Before incarnation into a human fetus (originally into an "animal" fetus), the soul splits into two soulmates. These have no gender, but they often incarnate into a male and a female fetus, but they don't have to, as advanced spirits in the heavens have no sexuality and no gender.
The purpose of the Earth incarnation is to individualize the two soulmates and give them a spirit body in which to dwell when they go back to the real world, the amazing World of Spirit. If a child "dies" young or even at birth, this purpose is realized. The soulmates may or may not ever meet each other on Earth. But as they progress spiritually they will usually meet in spirit and if they do will love each other so much (with soulmate love) that they would never consider parting.
God's Love, agapē, is greatest, "soulmate love" is next and "natural love" is least.
Souls are designed to be receptacles for God's Love (Divine Nature). But mortals or spirits have to choose to seek One-ness with God, and not independence, as did the first parents. God will never force His Divine Nature on any one, we have to want it and spend much time in silent communion with the Father receiving it drop by drop, even over a lifetime and continuing into our spirit life to gain the Re-birth that Jesus taught and showed the example of in his own person. Our dormant "gifts" open up as we partake more and more of the "Divine Nature."
When we become fully transformed (sometime after passing to spirit) by the Love of God, we become Divine Angels, and are fit to inhabit the new Kingdom of God that Jesus opened up above the six spiritual heavens, or "paradise," as the Bible calls them. We have immortality separate from God, but yet are "One" with Him and can perceive Him and communicate with Him, and have access to all the universes.
Incarnation of the soul - Mystery of the birth of the soul in the human being.
I want to tell you tonight of the mystery of the birth of the soul in the human being. All souls which enter into mortal bodies are, previous to such advent, real, living existences, and made in the likeness of the Great Soul, though not having the qualities and potentialities of that Soul, and also, not having the form of individualized personality that they have after they become parts of the composition, or form, of the mortal and spiritual bodies of human beings. Luke, 1/13/1916
What is faith?
"This is a question which has been asked as long as man has had a concept of God, or what this Being is in Its relationship to the created human being. But as you all know, the material mind always fails in its attempt to answer this question. Faith is of the soul; and then, the question is raised, what is soul? It is important to first investigate the soul, created in the Image of God’s Soul, for here you will find the way to arrive at the answer of faith.
Faith is the perception of the soul, much like sight and hearing are the perceptions of our material bodies. When we were created in the Image of God’s Soul, we were also created with the ability to perceive things spiritual, even without receiving the Divine Love. This is so because were it not for these spiritual perceptions, we would be unable to turn to God in prayer.
Love and faith are the means by which we can commence our communication with the Soul of our Creator. Consider them as perceptions still to be developed to their fullest potential, but capable of bringing us into rapport with God..." Mary, mother of Jesus, 12/28/2000
Deuteronomy 6:5 "...And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength..."
Hebrews 11:6 "...And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who approaches Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him..."
From Jesus' Second Coming Message Series From Spirit, 1914 to present. soultruth.ca, new-birth.net, and the Holy Bible.
John 16:25 "...Thus far I have spoken to you only in parables...but a time is coming when I will tell you plainly about the Father..."
"God is Love, and His Love is something we can pray for every day and it will flow into us and transform us and make us One with Him”
"God is Love, and Love is something we can pray for”
"God is Love..."
Tell everyone for as Ezekiel says, "...The time grows short and the work is great..." 4/21/2024
John 3:9 “...Anyone having been born of God does not practice sin, because His seed abides in him, and he is not able to continue sinning, because he has been born of God.
Blessings...
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River Sea
Well-Known Member
What were the Norse thinking about the Vikings? Were they often on a ship together or not together? Did they enjoy the sea or not enjoy the sea? As many were influenced by Egyptian religion, how did this help them or not help them?
What all did their consciousness go through when they raided?
How long did the Vikings consciousness have memories of this? Was it 'til they physically died, or did some forget before they physically passed away? Would this be brought to their memories after they pass away, and if so, for what reasons?
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I don't think it has been proven that we have a soul. I'm open to the idea, but remain agnostic about it.
If a soul exists, it would not affect DNA expression in any way. DNA is a physical process, affected by physical things.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
The consensus of scientists is that modern humans have been around between 200,000 and 300,000 years. 70 million years ago, no primates of any kind existed.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
If I'm not mistaken, the Vikings were those Norse who went on seafaring raids.
I don't understand the question. The Norse weren't even aware of the Egyptians.
River Sea
Well-Known Member
@wellwisher
I understand the soul is more than DNA. I go within me to connect with Devine and drink from Devine, allowing Devine to teach me how in the midst of my situations. And Devine feeds my spirit and shares with my soul personality.
Lisa Sims
Not BORN AGAIN Yet, But I'm On My WAY!
Audie
Veteran Member
That's an example of a story some people told.
Whole religions ( by the score, hundreds, thousands)
are started that way.
Why not believe all of them?
Well, some people seem to have some hereditary predispositions for soul. Aretha Franklin, for instance.
Ciao
- viole
Yokefellow
Active Member
Since this thread is in 'Science and Religion', I will combine both for you, using the Book of Genesis.
This is a good verse to begin with...
Genesis 2:7 - "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."
Formed Man:
How does one 'form' a Man? We know that we must at least have a Genome Sequence, correct? Thus, God begins with a Genome Sequence.
Dust of the Ground:
The term 'Dust of the Ground' in the Bible is symbolic of Seed...
Genesis 28:14 - "And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed."
More specifically, Dust = Gene Sequences. Think of the dust in your house containing DNA fragments.
When a living organism dies, it decays and enriches the soil with Nitrogen fertilizer...
Genesis 3:19 - "In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."
They become 'worm food'...
Genesis 3:14 - "And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:"
Breath of Life:
A Soul or Genome Sequence is dead on its own. It is full of letters (A, C, G, T) that lead to sickness and death...
2 Corinthians 3:6 - Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Thus, in order for a Soul/Genome Sequence to become 'alive' it needs Spirit, i.e., Electromagnetism. Spirit gives Life...
John 6:63 - "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."
Thus, a 'Living Word' is a living Genome Sequence. It is Spirit (Electromagnetism) and Life (Soul/Nitrogen Bases) combined.
God 'quickened' the Soul by breathing the Spirit of Man into it. Thus, it became a 'Living Soul'.
Living Soul:
In summary, a 'Living Soul' is a Genome Sequence (Soul) + Electromagnetism (Spirit).
Please note that there is no physical Body at this time!
This is why Man was 'naked' in the Garden. They were not clothed with a physical Tabernacle Body yet.
This is what we all were before conception. We were naked.
PureX
Veteran Member
Amen, Sister!
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
The soul is analogous to all our memories, which include recollections, habits, skills, POV, etc. If you were to have life after death, unless you retained your unique memories, you would never know about your past, or why you are there. However, if all your memories were preserved, there will be a sense of continuity between the two planes of existence. In the Old Testament people believed when you died you slept. One is not conscious when you sleep; day spirits are quiet, and there is no erasing of memory. When you awaken, in the morning your memory or soul is there to be animated by a spirit; Jesus.
The soul is like the hard drive of a computer or cell phone. The soul of your phone, within the hard drive of that device, can be transfer to a new phone. You can preserve all your setting from the past, goi g forward. If our soul and memories are preserved you can recognize people who died before you, and reestablish old acquaintances, and add new memories to your soul.
It makes no sense to wake up in heaven or hell with total amnesia; lost soul. If you appear without all that data, you would not know why you ended up, where you ended up. God would not put babies in hell, so you would awaken as an adult, all alone with no history. But if you retain your soul and memories, you will know why you are there, to accept the reward or atone for the sins, and you also you will know your favorite relatives who died they will remember you and you them.
The hard drive does not do anything, unless the processor; CPU, which are connected to the spirits, act upon the hard drive. When you transfer settings to a new phone, the spirit of the new phone; operating system and CPU, like an external spirit, triggers the old phones hard drive and transfer the data over the air waves. In classic symbolism, this will be St Peter and Jesus transferring your memories; soul, to the new vessel that your soul will occupy, which, like the newest model cell phone, will have many new bells and whistles. It may take some time to get used to the new features. But you have eternity to even upgrade, periodically.
Note: The 2nd says that the entropy of the universe has to increase, while an increase in entropy absorbs energy. What this means is the universe is bleeding energy into the ever increasing entropy. And, for the entropy to continue to increase, that means net energy is lost to the universe. However, due to energy conservation, it is conserved, but a form that is not fully available to the universe. It is like in another realm, that is getting more and more energy, faster than the universe can take some back; the entropy energy pool is filling.
The brain and life are intimately connected to the 2nd law and entropy, which is a movement toward complexity. We each add to the universal entropy pool, by living and thinking and using our memory. On earth, we have the Cloud that back up your cell phone data. The entropy pool appears to be a universal cloud for souls, that collect living data, as the 2nd law increases entropy. It is very possible the divine soul is more like a copy of the brain's original. The original may not go forward. Rather, the copy is transferred to the new vessel.
The soul is like the hard drive of a computer or cell phone. The soul of your phone, within the hard drive of that device, can be transfer to a new phone. You can preserve all your setting from the past, goi g forward. If our soul and memories are preserved you can recognize people who died before you, and reestablish old acquaintances, and add new memories to your soul.
It makes no sense to wake up in heaven or hell with total amnesia; lost soul. If you appear without all that data, you would not know why you ended up, where you ended up. God would not put babies in hell, so you would awaken as an adult, all alone with no history. But if you retain your soul and memories, you will know why you are there, to accept the reward or atone for the sins, and you also you will know your favorite relatives who died they will remember you and you them.
The hard drive does not do anything, unless the processor; CPU, which are connected to the spirits, act upon the hard drive. When you transfer settings to a new phone, the spirit of the new phone; operating system and CPU, like an external spirit, triggers the old phones hard drive and transfer the data over the air waves. In classic symbolism, this will be St Peter and Jesus transferring your memories; soul, to the new vessel that your soul will occupy, which, like the newest model cell phone, will have many new bells and whistles. It may take some time to get used to the new features. But you have eternity to even upgrade, periodically.
Note: The 2nd says that the entropy of the universe has to increase, while an increase in entropy absorbs energy. What this means is the universe is bleeding energy into the ever increasing entropy. And, for the entropy to continue to increase, that means net energy is lost to the universe. However, due to energy conservation, it is conserved, but a form that is not fully available to the universe. It is like in another realm, that is getting more and more energy, faster than the universe can take some back; the entropy energy pool is filling.
The brain and life are intimately connected to the 2nd law and entropy, which is a movement toward complexity. We each add to the universal entropy pool, by living and thinking and using our memory. On earth, we have the Cloud that back up your cell phone data. The entropy pool appears to be a universal cloud for souls, that collect living data, as the 2nd law increases entropy. It is very possible the divine soul is more like a copy of the brain's original. The original may not go forward. Rather, the copy is transferred to the new vessel.