NDE: Near Death Experiences

[Estro Felino]

Souls do not exist at this point in time. They are known mythological concepts only.

Does mind exist? Does memory exist?

 

[George-ananda]

There are hundreds of testimonies about NDEs, that is, experiences between Life and Death. These experiences are particularly significant because most of them underline that the afterlife is not a physical place.

I think the study of NDE's is very significant. I believe it provides about the strongest evidence I've seen for continuation of consciousness at death. The veridical stories (knowing things that couldn't have been learned normally) taken as a whole add greatly to the persuasiveness of the evidence.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Very well...but the weird thing is that they are all incredibly similar to one another.
Which is practically impossible to explain, given that dreams differ a lot from person to person. Then why aren't NDEs all different than one another, too?

Really? All of them? I've heard NDEs ranging from out-of-body experiences, to seeing bright shafts of light, to going to a literal hell, to sitting on a train. I've never actually encountered two NDEs that are remotely identical except for ones which describe vague things such as "a shaft of light".

Can you give an example of two incredibly similar NDE experiences?

 

[outhouse]

Does mind exist? Does memory exist?

factually exist.

 

[Estro Felino]

factually exist.

very well. That's what people call soul

 

[outhouse]

very well. That's what people call soul

That is not what people call a soul.

We are all born with minds and memory. It is the definiton of the conscious mind where the uneducated often rely on mythology.

We can see people thinking now, and flat know the answer from their brain reading, before the test subject knows wht he will say.


Sould do not exist, mind and memory do.

 

[Estro Felino]

Really? All of them? I've heard NDEs ranging from out-of-body experiences, to seeing bright shafts of light, to going to a literal hell, to sitting on a train. I've never actually encountered two NDEs that are remotely identical except for ones which describe vague things such as "a shaft of light".

Can you give an example of two incredibly similar NDE experiences?

Lots of people described a light at the end of a tunnel, through which they were flying at a high speed.
Almost all of people claim that they were flying . coincidence?
Light at the end of the tunnel for scientists studying near-death experiences - Science - News - The Independent

 

[Estro Felino]

That is not what people call a soul.

We are all born with minds and memory. It is the definiton of the conscious mind where the uneducated often rely on mythology.

We can see people thinking now, and flat know the answer from their brain reading, before the test subject knows wht he will say.


Sould do not exist, mind and memory do.

all right. but have you ever tried to "enter your mind"?
that is...let's pretend you could enter your brain...
if you can imagine that (lots of people are able to think of their mind as a place), you can figure out what I am talking about

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Lots of people described a light at the end of a tunnel, through which they were flying at a high speed.
Almost all of people claim that they were flying . coincidence?
Light at the end of the tunnel for scientists studying near-death experiences - Science - News - The Independent

Erm, you do realize that the article you linked to actually gives evidence of a rational, non-supernatural cause behind the phenomena of NDEs, right?

 

[sun rise]

Erm, you do realize that the article you linked to actually gives evidence of a rational, non-supernatural cause behind the phenomena of NDEs, right?

It does not do that at all

Experts in the UK said that, while the results were intriguing, there was no way of knowing whether the activity observed in the rats was the same that produced the near death experience phenomenon in humans.


"The paper has merely shown - and the authors are extremely clear on this point - that they have demonstrated the change in gamma oscillations occurring over a similar time period to when NDEs are experienced in humans," said Dr David McGonigle, of Cardiff University's school of psychology. "We have no idea what the rats experience - if anything - while the increase in synchronous gamma occurs."


Doubts have also been raised over the researchers' claims that the signals observed in the dying brains of the rats were similar to a conscious state. Dr McGonigle said that scientist were still "at loggerheads" over what consciousness means, both in humans and in animals.

 

[groves200]

For me, NDE's just don't indicate anything. I can dismiss every NDE with a single word: near.

Nobody has ever actually died (that is, suffered actual brain death) and come back to life, ever, in all of human history.

wooah hold your horses, are you tryna tell me that zombies don't exist?!? :areyoucra 273 popular books written about zombies! so their all wrong? let alone the movies, are they fake too??

 

[sun rise]

For me, NDE's just don't indicate anything. I can dismiss every NDE with a single word: near.

Nobody has ever actually died (that is, suffered actual brain death) and come back to life, ever, in all of human history. What NDE's are are experiences of people coming close to death, but not actually dying. As such, their experiences are most definitely not indicative of any kind of afterlife whatsoever, since none of them actually died. They can justifiably be written off as particularly vivid hallucinations or dreams.

Define death?

Resuscitation medicine is now sometimes capable of reviving people after their heart has stopped beating and their brain has flat-lined

'Erasing Death' Explores The Science Of Resuscitation : NPR

 

[outhouse]

all right. but have you ever tried to "enter your mind"?
that is...let's pretend you could enter your brain...
if you can imagine that (lots of people are able to think of their mind as a place), you can figure out what I am talking about

mumbo jumbo

I don't care to jump through imaginative hoops

 

[outhouse]

Define death?

The end of life.





Sometimes life hangs on, and pauses briefly before this end.

 

[Thief]

There are hundreds of testimonies about NDEs, that is, experiences between Life and Death. These experiences are particularly significant because most of them underline that the afterlife is not a physical place.
Almost all the people who had these experiences said that in the afterlife there is not time nor space, so you can perceive eternity and absence of limits (it's like you were present in all the places of the Universe, simultaneously.

But above all...most of them underline that the afterlife can't be neither a punishment, nor a reward. But the afterlife is entering your own soul. And nobody can deny it that there are souls filled with hatred or with love.
So a soul, according to what it is made up of, can look like either a heavenly or a hellish place.

Indeed!
And when you get there you will likely join to gatherings that have the same kind of soul you are.

How else to be happy?
How else to be fair?

And the real question is......can you live with yourself for the rest of eternity?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

It does not do that at all

From the article:
Dr Anders Sandberg, a neuroscientist and research fellow at Oxford University's Future of Humanity Institute said that neither the findings, nor common stories of near death experiences in humans, should be interpreted as evidence of "life after death".

"A lot of the neural networks in the brain can stimulate themselves without any external signals under the right conditions… oxygen deprivation can certainly mess up many systems at the same time…" he said. "So it could be that during a NDE, the conditions make neurons start to fire and form patterns of activity. These patterns of activity are shaped by how the brain is connected, and we know that some patterns in the visual cortex seem to closely correspond to commonly reported hallucinations (like tunnels). Higher order parts of the brain might create emotions or ideas in a similar random fashion, populating the experience."

Define death?

A cease of biological functions necessary to sustain life. Brain death, on the other hand, is an irreversible loss of brain function.

'Erasing Death' Explores The Science Of Resuscitation : NPR

I'm gonna need a bit more than that. After-all, our ability to detect electromagnetic activity in the brain by no means indicates that there is a total breakdown or loss of brain function. This article talks exclusively about people who are medially dead, not brain dead. Also, Dr. Parnia has conducted some rather shady scientific practices, such as taking part in a documentary on NDEs that most scientists considered "misleading", and conducting a series of experiments designed to induce out of body experiences but not publishing the results (his experiments were later discovered to have returned nothing but negative results: http://infidels.org/library/modern/keith_augustine/HNDEs.html#experiments ).

 

[Draupadi]

But I read about a NDE of a man who was dead for two days. His body even hardened and then he was resurrected! During his time of temporary death or sleep (whatever you want to call it) he had vision of hell and heaven.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

But I read about a NDE of a man who was dead for two days. His body even hardened and then he was resurrected! During his time of temporary death or sleep (whatever you want to call it) he had vision of hell and heaven.

Do you have any sources on this?

 

[viole]

There are hundreds of testimonies about NDEs, that is, experiences between Life and Death. These experiences are particularly significant because most of them underline that the afterlife is not a physical place.
Almost all the people who had these experiences said that in the afterlife there is not time nor space, so you can perceive eternity and absence of limits (it's like you were present in all the places of the Universe, simultaneously.

But above all...most of them underline that the afterlife can't be neither a punishment, nor a reward. But the afterlife is entering your own soul. And nobody can deny it that there are souls filled with hatred or with love.
So a soul, according to what it is made up of, can look like either a heavenly or a hellish place.

NDE are what the name says. NEAR death, that is, STILL ALIVE experiences. In that respect, they have the same reliability as dreams.

Easily explainable by the hallucinations that are induced on brains when deprived of oxygen.

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

But I read about a NDE of a man who was dead for two days. His body even hardened and then he was resurrected! During his time of temporary death or sleep (whatever you want to call it) he had vision of hell and heaven.

Oh dear. Another resurrection?

Ciao

- viole