My point is that the Bible, the New Testament precisely, doesn't condemn homosexuality as immoral, sin, or anything else. So I don't know why Christians latch onto it.
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Nebraska woman sues all homosexuals
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My point is that the Bible, the New Testament precisely, doesn't condemn homosexuality as immoral, sin, or anything else. So I don't know why Christians latch onto it.
Something worth noting, and what is probably a better way of looking at religion, is that to me…people make choices every day. We all make choices, whether to be kind or mean, caring or uncaring. No religion can ‘make’ someone better or worse. Now, religion can brainwash people into thinking that their choices will gain for them, an afterlife filled with all kinds of pleasantries, or will throw them into a pit of fire after death…and that can often times govern religious people’s decisions, sadly. But, religion doesn’t make someone behave in a kinder manner…or a more forgiving manner. The person most likely would be kind and forgiving if he/she was an atheist.
I don’t believe I hold a higher ground. I was once a Christian…for a long time. What I say above is more or less, where I’ve come to with it all.
Thana
Lady
Well... homosexuality wasn't a term that was around then but the bible does mention it. 'Lay with a man as you would a woman' and 'men committing shameless acts with other men' and 'women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature' actually there are quite a few verses that talk about this without ever specifically using the word homosexual. You'd have to dig deeper into the Hebrew and Greek roots to find the true meanings of the words and whatnot, But I'm pretty sure they knew what they were referring to, Even if there was no official label for it.
But the only people these passages are meant for are people of that persuasion who are looking for spiritual guidance and a closer relationship with the 'abrahamic God'. Everybody else who doesn't fit those specifications should mind their own business and worry about their own lives.
Wirey
Fartist
So if I don't have a pre-existing relationship with God, His word is off-limits?
Wirey
Fartist
Because gay people are evil, and have pretty, pretty hair.
Thana
Lady
But then it goes both ways, If religion doesn't make a person kinder or better than a religion doesn't make a person violent or cruel.
I'm not sure where you stand with that, But I agree fully. Religion does change people, I think that's true, But their hearts will always be what they will always be. Violent people will find excuses to be violent and kind people will find reasons to be kind. Our hearts are what they are and always will be, Religion helps us grow but it doesn't change our hearts. Not like that.
Wirey
Fartist
Don't forget the faaaabulous clothing and being on the cutting edge of fashion.
I saw your shirt in that picture. I dress better than that!
Thana
Lady
Um, no...?
My point was that if you're not struggling with your flesh then you don't need to impose your ideals onto others. These 'rules/laws/commands/ideals/morals etc' are for the individual alone, They're not for us to force onto others as so many Christians do.
Wirey
Fartist
Sorry, I completely misunderstood you. My bad. Here, have a like as an apology!
Wirey
Fartist
I lost my gay card. Now I haz teh sad.
I may have a spare one around... I mean, football!
Marisa
Well-Known Member
I don't know about that. I think it's more getting others(Christians, Jews, Muslims, so on so forth) to recognize that the field is in fact even, because a good majority of the religious(at least in regards to the Abrahamic faith group) seem to just assume they're automatically arguing from an elevated position. After all, that is one of the driving forces of that cluster of faiths, the notion that morality springs only from God.
While undoubtedly some(non-Abrahamics, be they pagan or non-believers in general) try very hard to obtain some pedestal for their own notions, I would say largely it's just trying to get you(not you specifically, at least not what I'm talking about here) to acknowledge that here is a lot in the Bible(regardless of whether you read it in Original Recipe, Extra Crispy or Grilled) that causes serious problems with civilized society. There is no high-ground, let alone anyone holding it. Despite this, it tends to be those of the 3 Monotheisms who claim both to have found it & that it was always theirs.
Wirey
Fartist
This is just proof that the gub'mint hates Jesus and wants to take away my guns so they can sell the country to the immigants! Them queers is probably all laughin' and playin' their ABBA records, and slow dancin', and touchin', and smellin' each other's hair and all, that beautiful brown hair, all wavy........
Football!
Marisa
Well-Known Member
Hey, if not for some loudmouth bottom dweller the government would have successfully taken over Texas.
Or she might mistaken some like Tom Cruise and John Travolta. Get them on the witness stand and profess under oath!
The judge said "The United States Federal Courts were created to resolve actual cases and controversies arising under the Constitution and the laws of the United States," Judge Gerrard said. "A federal court is not a forum for debate or discourse on theological matters." Bwahahahaha I wonder if she'll appeal or claim that the judge was influenced by Satan.
I wonder if she'll appeal or claim that the judge was influenced by Satan.
Marisa
Well-Known Member
I almost positive that certain members of SCOTUS would disagree. cough cough SCALIA cough coughThe judge said "The United States Federal Courts were created to resolve actual cases and controversies arising under the Constitution and the laws of the United States," Judge Gerrard said. "A federal court is not a forum for debate or discourse on theological matters." Bwahahahaha
I'd agree ...guess I can't have my double standard.
But, if people feel that they may score some points with their respective 'god'...it can be the reason why some 'good' people turn 'bad.' It can be the reason why many religious people are willing to kill or die for their faith, or what they perceive as the necessary tenets of their faith...ISIS comes to mind. The interesting thing about religion, any religion...is that it really is just us talking ourselves into certain things. If I pray to a god for the strength to get me through 'x' trial...and lo and behold I end up getting through 'x' trial with flying colors...I'll attribute this to a god giving me that strength, when in reality...the strength was within me all along. That is why religion is little more than wishing something else existed to carry us through this life, when in reality...we are carrying ourselves through. And ''crediting'' a deity for what we ourselves possess.
Interestingly, on the flip side...many religious people will not blame god when things go awry. The idea of ''free will'' tends to only come into play with a religious person, when they see people doing bad things, as opposed to good things. God gets the credit when things turn out great...he doesn't get the blame when things fall apart.