Nebraska woman sues all homosexuals

[Thana]

I've no intention of debating about the relevance of what's in any book of the bible with you or anyone else. I'll just keep noticing that any given passage's importance to all xstians seems entirely dependent upon which axe a given xstian is currently grinding.

That's nice of you to notice, But I don't see how it's significant.
We're all hypocrites, Christians are no exception.

Though, most Christians will agree, No passage is unimportant. The only ones that ever get any spotlight are the contraversial ones, But that's the way of the world. No one wants to hear about how Christianity talks about love and forgiveness, No they just want to hear about those gay-bashing Christians and what they have done this time.

 

[Jainarayan]

Christians Always forget that.

And the bacon double cheeseburgers.

 

[Jainarayan]

Christians seem to enjoy selective righteous indignation.

I always go to those type of Christian grocers.

I get the best selections.

 

[Marisa]

That's nice of you to notice, But I don't see how it's significant.
We're all hypocrites, Christians are no exception.

Though, most Christians will agree, No passage is unimportant. The only ones that ever get any spotlight are the contraversial ones, But that's the way of the world. No one wants to hear about how Christianity talks about love and forgiveness, No they just want to hear about those gay-bashing Christians and what they have done this time.

I completely agree we're all hypocrites, and I include myself. So maybe there's really not much reason for us to be having this somewhat chilly exchange. I'd much rather discover what we have in common rather than focus on what separates us.

 

[Jainarayan]

The Oak Trees had naught to do with their physical worth, they were where the Germanics(those who deigned to, anyway) would celebrate our Gods. There were undoubtedly missionaries sent to the North with the best intentions, to teach the people about their God & his son and allow for them to convert in their own time. But it became extremely clear that was never going to be enough to supplant the Aesir & Vanir. It was an alien faith, one entirely at odds with their way of life & their own morality. Namely the notion that we are somehow broken, or that we would rewarded or punished based on faith rather than actions.

And in a deliciously ironic twist, St. Boniface, who cut down the Donar Oak was martyred in Frisia in 754 CE.

 

[Jainarayan]

Homosexuality is included in the umbrella term 'sexual immorality' which is mentioned numerous times in the NT.

Really? Where and how?

 

[Jainarayan]

The Laws of Leviticus are Jewish laws, Specifically given to Jews and for Jews. Gentiles were never supposed to follow them, And we don't.
It's not dismissal, It's an entirely different religion.

What about the Ten Commandments? They were given to Moses, a Hebrew. Are they not for Christians?

 

[Thana]

Really? Where and how?

What do you mean where and how? Is that not obvious?

What about the Ten Commandments? They were given to Moses, a Hebrew. Are they not for Christians?

Oh, I guess you put in that pic of cherries because you're hinting that I'm cherry picking?

As Christians we follow Jesus, And He gave us His own command. Love. Which encompasses all of the 10 commandments.
So either way, We follow the 10 commandments, just not directly. But love doesn't apply to shrimp or pork or linen or periods.

 

[Thana]

I completely agree we're all hypocrites, and I include myself. So maybe there's really not much reason for us to be having this somewhat chilly exchange. I'd much rather discover what we have in common rather than focus on what separates us.

Sure.
And I apologize if I come off cold or 'chilly', It's not my intention.

 

[Marisa]

What do you mean where and how? Is that not obvious?



Oh, I guess you put in that pic of cherries because you're hinting that I'm cherry picking?

As Christians we follow Jesus, And He gave us His own command. Love. Which encompasses all of the 10 commandments.
So either way, We follow the 10 commandments, just not directly. But love doesn't apply to shrimp or pork or linen or periods.

I don't know if this would be your kind of thing or not, but I reccommend A Year of Living Biblically, in which the author spends a full year trying to follow all the laws in the OT. The chapter on when his wife was on her period was hilarious, as he quickly came to realize that he can't know when a strange woman is on her period and it's considered gauche to ask such personal questions.

 

[Jainarayan]

What do you mean where and how? Is that not obvious?

No, it's not. Translations of Paul that use the word 'homosexual' are wrong. The word didn't exist until the 1800s. So I'd like to know where and how it's referred to as we know it.

Oh, I guess you put in that pic of cherries because you're hinting that I'm cherry picking?

As Christians we follow Jesus, And He gave us His own command. Love. Which encompasses all of the 10 commandments.
So either way, We follow the 10 commandments, just not directly. But love doesn't apply to shrimp or pork or linen or periods.

But he did say that not one iota of the Old Law would be changed until Heaven and Earth passed away. Therefore, it is still binding on Christians.

 

[Marisa]

Sure.
And I apologize if I come off cold or 'chilly', It's not my intention.

It's all good.

 

[Thana]

No, it's not. Translations of Paul that use the word 'homosexual' are wrong. The word didn't exist until the 1800s. So I'd like to know where and how it's referred to as we know it.

You clearly didn't read what I said, Since I never said that he said the word homosexual, I said specifically that he says 'sexual immorality'

But he did say that not one iota of the Old Law would be changed until Heaven and Earth passed away. Therefore, it is still binding on Christians.

Okay well first you're putting your own words in there, since there is no such thing as 'the Old Law'. We don't call it that.

And the verse goes as such - Matthew 5:17-18
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

And for the Jews, What needed to happen to 'fufill' their religion? To the Jews of today, What needs to happen?
The Messiah needs to come.

For Christians He came, He fulfilled the Law by dying on the Cross.

I mean this is all pretty basic stuff, Like the fundamental aspects of Christianity.

 

[Jainarayan]

You clearly didn't read what I said, Since I never said that he said the word homosexual, I said specifically that he says 'sexual immorality'

But what's immoral about homosexuality? Are we conflating same sex attraction with promiscuous sex? What's immoral about two men or women partnering up for a life together? I think the problem is the stereotype that we're all horndogs who prowl every gay bar looking for anonymous hookups.

 

[Thana]

But what's immoral about homosexuality? Are we conflating same sex attraction with promiscuous sex? What's immoral about two men or women partnering up for a life together? I think the problem is the stereotype that we're all horndogs who prowl every gay bar looking for anonymous hookups.

What's immoral about pre-marital sex? What's immoral about adultery?
Those are included in 'Sexual immorality'

Cases can be made for and against all those things.
In the end though it's a personal, individual thing.

 

[BSM1]

Homosexuality is included in the umbrella term 'sexual immorality' which is mentioned numerous times in the NT.

I don't understand how people can be so ignorant and yet so outspoken?
They don't know what they're talking about but they keep talking anyway. It honestly boggles my mind.



The Laws of Leviticus are Jewish laws, Specifically given to Jews and for Jews. Gentiles were never supposed to follow them, And we don't.
It's not dismissal, It's an entirely different religion.

Maybe you should read your own post.

 

[Jainarayan]

What's immoral about pre-marital sex? What's immoral about adultery?
Those are included in 'Sexual immorality'

Cases can be made for and against all those things.

Because Jesus referred to lust. Before there were marriage rituals in prehistory, was mating immoral? What's immoral about adultery is not only is it usually based in lust, it hurts another person, which Jesus was dead-set against.

 

[Deidre]

That's nice of you to notice, But I don't see how it's significant.
We're all hypocrites, Christians are no exception.

Though, most Christians will agree, No passage is unimportant. The only ones that ever get any spotlight are the contraversial ones, But that's the way of the world. No one wants to hear about how Christianity talks about love and forgiveness, No they just want to hear about those gay-bashing Christians and what they have done this time.

It's not that no one wants to hear it, but it's kind of inaccurate to attribute love and forgiveness to a religion, when that same religion shows bigotry and hatred for 'certain' groups in the next breath. Guess it depends on what parts of the Bible we feel like cherry picking that day, hmmm...

 

[Thana]

It's not that no one wants to hear it, but it's kind of inaccurate to attribute love and forgiveness to a religion, when that same religion shows bigotry and hatred for 'certain' groups in the next breath. Guess it depends on what parts of the Bible we feel like cherry picking that day, hmmm...

Well, I think you're mistaking the entire religion for certain people inside of that religion.

And I'm getting a little tired of the 'Christians are cherry pickers' spiel. Christians are individuals, And it bothers me how easily people generalize and yet believe they somehow hold the higher ground.

 

[Thana]

Because Jesus referred to lust. Before there were marriage rituals in prehistory, was mating immoral? What's immoral about adultery is not only is it usually based in lust, it hurts another person, which Jesus was dead-set against.

I'm not sure what your point is.
Like I said, You can make cases for the immorality of all of those subjects. But it's a personal thing to decide what you as an individual find immoral/moral.

But the bible doesn't really talk about sex in the confines of morality, More that certain types of sex are sins. And sin has little to do with morality.