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Nebraska woman sues all homosexuals

thau

Well-Known Member
''This just in...absurd religious claims are at an all time high. Full story at 6.''

That's not newsworthy, I agree. :p

So is unbelief within Christian cultures at an all time high. So is immorality. So is narcissism, rudeness and apathy.

Which may explain why news ratings are down, and why they have to titillate the unenlightened to watch. Sex is god I guess.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
So is unbelief within Christian cultures at an all time high. So is immorality. So is narcissism, rudeness and apathy.

Which may explain why news ratings are down, and why they have to titillate the unenlightened to watch. Sex is god I guess.
I would argue that news ratings are down because they are very rarely broadcasting news. Ever since they have all gone to 24/7 news services, they are stretched so thin that they usually have to fill the gaps with political commentary and interviews. Most of which isn't worth watching.
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
Thanks, but I beg to differ. Nor do I care to post 25 or 50 examples to bolster my point.
You don't need to.

So easy to say "it's what sells papers" is all that matters to these mega media corporations but that would be folly. Otherwise, Fox would not always be trying to make money defending the right and all the MSM networks would not be trying to make money by defending almost everything left --- more so by what they choose not to report on than by what they choose to slant on what they do report on.
MSM, really? How is Fox not mainstream? Other than them constantly trying to say they aren't? They produce content to pander to one portion of society(the socially conservative portion of people 30+), making them moderately right-wing. Limbaugh is obviously for the non-Fascist far-right. NYT is basically Fox News for the Left. The other Big News corporations tend to be left-of-center, but not quite reaching NYT levels. For genuine Centrist/non-biased reporting, there's C-Span, PBS and the BBC(the BBC being unquestionably one of the best source for genuine news on the planet).

Now, in terms of number-of-corporations, the Left seems to have more. But Fox News is more than large enough to compete with them, and also utterly gobble up anyone else on their portion of the Right. Fox News, the American branch of Murdoch's global Media-Empire(which has/had other lovely publications like News of the World & The Sun) is a monolithic entity. The left-of-center news agencies are all fighting one another. Fox can't be fought.


There is no real mystery here. These underreported scandals truly blow my mind. As does the shockingly timid republican congressmen and congressional committees. Apparently everyone is more interested in self-preservation than the common good.
Uh-huh. Good rule of thumb;

Never attribute to malice/conspiracy/ect that which is adequately explained by incompetence & stupidity.
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
So is unbelief within Christian cultures at an all time high. So is immorality. So is narcissism, rudeness and apathy.
I'm gonna give you a quote;

“The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.”

Know who said that? Socrates. As in, THE Socrates. The ancient Greek philosopher.

There is nothing new under the sun. Your complaints/observations are ones shared by those stretching back prior even to Judaism. Every generation feels this way, every generation feels the upcoming one is somehow worse than prior ones, they're decadent or irresponsible..

If that were true, we'd all have long-since died out. But we've not. Because those observations are coloured by faulty human memory, which tends to look upon ones' personal past & the past in general as this bygone era where everything was somehow better.

It wasn't.
 

thau

Well-Known Member
I would argue that news ratings are down because they are very rarely broadcasting news. Ever since they have all gone to 24/7 news services, they are stretched so thin that they usually have to fill the gaps with political commentary and interviews. Most of which isn't worth watching.
You need not argue, I totally agree. Celebrity fluff and human interest stories dominate. Embarrassing.

But my real point was not about ratings, it was about the fact left MSM protects left political and social agendas by not reporting or under-reporting important events or scandals, and the right may do the same. Many examples of this, I only want us all to admit that.
 

thau

Well-Known Member
You don't need to.


MSM, really? How is Fox not mainstream? Other than them constantly trying to say they aren't? They produce content to pander to one portion of society(the socially conservative portion of people 30+), making them moderately right-wing. Limbaugh is obviously for the non-Fascist far-right. NYT is basically Fox News for the Left. The other Big News corporations tend to be left-of-center, but not quite reaching NYT levels. For genuine Centrist/non-biased reporting, there's C-Span, PBS and the BBC(the BBC being unquestionably one of the best source for genuine news on the planet).

Now, in terms of number-of-corporations, the Left seems to have more. But Fox News is more than large enough to compete with them, and also utterly gobble up anyone else on their portion of the Right. Fox News, the American branch of Murdoch's global Media-Empire(which has/had other lovely publications like News of the World & The Sun) is a monolithic entity. The left-of-center news agencies are all fighting one another. Fox can't be fought.

Uh-huh. Good rule of thumb;

Never attribute to malice/conspiracy/ect that which is adequately explained by incompetence & stupidity.

Fox is totally mainstream and on the right, did not mean to mislead you. But all the other MSM TV news networks are left leaning to be sure. Including PBS, and PBS is anti-Christian in the way they portray "the real Jesus" and their other documentaries. BBC is anti-Christian as well in various programs and I would maintain also left leaning, yet, I find them very much more newsworthy, cover far more important issues better and worth the time. I watch BBC world news in the morning and none other. The rest of the morning "news" shows are cringe-worthy.

We also agree very much on the last point you made about politicians, etc., in general.
 

thau

Well-Known Member
I'm gonna give you a quote;

“The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.”

Know who said that? Socrates. As in, THE Socrates. The ancient Greek philosopher.

There is nothing new under the sun. Your complaints/observations are ones shared by those stretching back prior even to Judaism. Every generation feels this way, every generation feels the upcoming one is somehow worse than prior ones, they're decadent or irresponsible..

If that were true, we'd all have long-since died out. But we've not. Because those observations are coloured by faulty human memory, which tends to look upon ones' personal past & the past in general as this bygone era where everything was somehow better.

It wasn't.

I have heard that before and it does help to make your case since like you said, if this rebellion and decline began in Socrates time this world would have long wasted away before now.

Well, some things are the same (e.g. moving from child to adolescent and rebellious spirit) and some things are not the same. E.g., exposure to more knowledge, opportunity for vice, and opportunity for hedonism and an easier way of life. No, things have changed since the time of the Beatles. Sexual mores and the rejection of God and God's laws in particular. And the love of self. So I will give you a quote from I believe the psalms? "He that soweth the wind reap the whirlwind." That is what we have been experiencing since the 1960's, each passing generation becoming double rowdy, self-indulgent, apathetic, lack of remorse, greedy, rude, narcissistic and apathetic towards God. Up until then I would accept your Socrates theory --- but no more. We are in the middle of horrendous social and moral decline where the fall of Rome comes to mind. But it's far worse than that. It is all a spiritual crisis with Satan and his minions leading the whole lot of us down a scary path.
 

Wirey

Fartist
I have heard that before and it does help to make your case since like you said, if this rebellion and decline began in Socrates time this world would have long wasted away before now.

Well, some things are the same (e.g. moving from child to adolescent and rebellious spirit) and some things are not the same. E.g., exposure to more knowledge, opportunity for vice, and opportunity for hedonism and an easier way of life. No, things have changed since the time of the Beatles. Sexual mores and the rejection of God and God's laws in particular. And the love of self. So I will give you a quote from I believe the psalms? "He that soweth the wind reap the whirlwind." That is what we have been experiencing since the 1960's, each passing generation becoming double rowdy, self-indulgent, apathetic, lack of remorse, greedy, rude, narcissistic and apathetic towards God. Up until then I would accept your Socrates theory --- but no more. We are in the middle of horrendous social and moral decline where the fall of Rome comes to mind. But it's far worse than that. It is all a spiritual crisis with Satan and his minions leading the whole lot of us down a scary path.

If you honestly believe that, perhaps you should pray harder. Things are going to get worse, fast. Did you know that these days, teenagers are sexually attracted to one another and sometimes girls give in? Not like them good old days!
 

thau

Well-Known Member
If you honestly believe that, perhaps you should pray harder. Things are going to get worse, fast. Did you know that these days, teenagers are sexually attracted to one another and sometimes girls give in? Not like them good old days!

If you honestly believe that one paragraph is all we have for our defense then maybe you can win the debate.

But I read a lot more on God, sin, moral changes, spiritual changes, and the like than you do perhaps? In other words, I did not come to such conclusions based on some article I read in my parish bulletin. If the nation has stopped going to church regularly and prays far less than before you think that is of no impact? How about if sexual activity amongst 12 - 17 year olds has increased dramatically than 50 years ago? No matter to God? Or abortion pre 1973 vs post 1973, that sin does not anger our Lord who blessed this nation abundantly for centuries? That kind of in your face I will do as a I please for my convenience and to hell with your laws God kind of attitude? Gay marriage is surely the wrong move. Child pornography and sex with the aid of the internet, you think that has not exploded in recent times? I also maintain there is far, far more adultery going on since before birth control was readily available. Perhaps the Catholic Church had a very good reason for calling artificial contraception wrong beyond just between married couples. The way young people are so self indulgent in all matters these days can be measured and their care for things past their own pleasure or self esteem is almost non-existent. The meanness is epidemic.

I am sure I could go on, but if we disagree on the importance of God and the judgment of souls then I do not suppose I have made much of an impression on you.
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
Fox is totally mainstream and on the right, did not mean to mislead you. But all the other MSM TV news networks are left leaning to be sure. Including PBS, and PBS is anti-Christian in the way they portray "the real Jesus" and their other documentaries. BBC is anti-Christian as well in various programs and I would maintain also left leaning, yet, I find them very much more newsworthy, cover far more important issues better and worth the time. I watch BBC world news in the morning and none other. The rest of the morning "news" shows are cringe-worthy.
How is any of that "anti-Chrstian"? Is it simply because they would rather use archeological & third-party(that is, non-Christian) sources regarding the Nazarene? You're going to have to simply accept that not everyone believes in your God and his son/himself made flesh/or however you view the Jesus-YHWH-Holy Spirit and how they relate to each other. Scholarly interest is not anti-Christian because they are wary of using the Bible as an infallible source. One must remember that the New Testament was written quite a time after the son of Mary & Joseph(along with most if not all of his disciples) had died.

I have heard that before and it does help to make your case since like you said, if this rebellion and decline began in Socrates time this world would have long wasted away before now.

Well, some things are the same (e.g. moving from child to adolescent and rebellious spirit) and some things are not the same. E.g., exposure to more knowledge, opportunity for vice, and opportunity for hedonism and an easier way of life. No, things have changed since the time of the Beatles. Sexual mores and the rejection of God and God's laws in particular. And the love of self. So I will give you a quote from I believe the psalms? "He that soweth the wind reap the whirlwind."
So how did the massive swathes of the world that had either no or extremely limited contact with Judaism or Christianity turn out just fine? China, Japan, the Mongols, the myriad of Indian(subcontinent India) societies & kingdoms, South-East Asian cultures, sub-Saharan Africa and so on.

In fact, I would argue that Christianity tends to destroy cultures. Look at the pre-conversion Germanics(Norse/Vikings, Saxons, ect). They were vibrant cosmopolitan societies, with rich cultural history & religions. But when the Christians(having already turned Rome into a mere shadow of its former self) set off to the North with a Bible in one hand and a torch in the other they nigh-entirely destroyed them. They burned down our Oaks, they desecrated our Halls, they robbed us of our freedom. Before your God came from some eastern desert, our wives, daughters & sisters were not merely property of their menfolk be it husband, father or brother. You brought to this people, who had loved life, who lived not just for themselves but to bring honour to their kin & to make their ancestors proud. A people with Gods who did not treat us like inferiors, but as kin. Who did not worship their Gods so much as they praised them, without fear & without promise of reward.

These peoples, my people, were doing just fine without your Christ and your notions of shame, your notions that people are somehow born inherently broken.

That is what we have been experiencing since the 1960's, each passing generation becoming double rowdy, self-indulgent, apathetic, lack of remorse, greedy, rude, narcissistic and apathetic towards God. Up until then I would accept your Socrates theory --- but no more. We are in the middle of horrendous social and moral decline where the fall of Rome comes to mind. But it's far worse than that. It is all a spiritual crisis with Satan and his minions leading the whole lot of us down a scary path.

Please do not try to compare the socio-political world of today to something that has been gone for over a thousand years. You painfully over-simplify why Rome fell, and it was not because of their "decadence". One can pin the collapse of Rome in part on Christianity itself. It utterly destroyed the religious & ethnic tolerance that made Rome so powerful. Making such an analogy does nothing but outline your ignorance(in the traditional sense of the word, as in simply being unaware) regarding history at large.
 

Wirey

Fartist
If you honestly believe that one paragraph is all we have for our defense then maybe you can win the debate.

But I read a lot more on God, sin, moral changes, spiritual changes, and the like than you do perhaps? In other words, I did not come to such conclusions based on some article I read in my parish bulletin. If the nation has stopped going to church regularly and prays far less than before you think that is of no impact? How about if sexual activity amongst 12 - 17 year olds has increased dramatically than 50 years ago? No matter to God? Or abortion pre 1973 vs post 1973, that sin does not anger our Lord who blessed this nation abundantly for centuries? That kind of in your face I will do as a I please for my convenience and to hell with your laws God kind of attitude? Gay marriage is surely the wrong move. Child pornography and sex with the aid of the internet, you think that has not exploded in recent times? I also maintain there is far, far more adultery going on since before birth control was readily available. Perhaps the Catholic Church had a very good reason for calling artificial contraception wrong beyond just between married couples. The way young people are so self indulgent in all matters these days can be measured and their care for things past their own pleasure or self esteem is almost non-existent. The meanness is epidemic.

I am sure I could go on, but if we disagree on the importance of God and the judgment of souls then I do not suppose I have made much of an impression on you.

Agreed. You sound like my grandma telling me that my AC/DC t shirt would turn me into a drug addict.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
South Park needs to update just exactly who is "dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, DUMB! Dumbity, dumb, dumb, dumb. Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, DUMB!" I don't think I've ever heard anything so dumb.
Me and a Christian coworker did get a couple of hours of laughter and jokes and making this dummy the butt-end of jokes because she is just, well, really ****ing dumb. Even after considering Thetans and the evil lord Xenu, suing all homosexuals is, well, just really ****ing dumb.
 

Thana

Lady
I heard that in some Christian views it applies too. Also in some minorities in Islam.

Yeah but it's one of those beliefs that are so obscure and so few people actually believe it that it's not really worth mentioning.
It just one of those things that confuses people into thinking it's a Christian practice when it's not, It's a Jewish practice and it comes from Judaism alone.
 
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