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NEED of GURU
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zenzero
Its only a Label
Friends,
Though what friend Vinayaka is stating may be true but personal understanding is that anyone in a state of oneness knows that there is no differences between the body or the spirit as all mind delusions are vibrations which needs to be transcended to reach the state of oneness. Meaning a real guru never seeks anything even money as their needs are fulfilled by existence is known/understood/realized by such individuals.
Love & rgds
Though what friend Vinayaka is stating may be true but personal understanding is that anyone in a state of oneness knows that there is no differences between the body or the spirit as all mind delusions are vibrations which needs to be transcended to reach the state of oneness. Meaning a real guru never seeks anything even money as their needs are fulfilled by existence is known/understood/realized by such individuals.
Love & rgds
chinu
chinu
I'm not in this state. Very few rare souls are. I respect them.
methylatedghosts
Can't brain. Has dumb.
All respect intended by this question:
Wouldn't searching for a Guru, being open to the possibility of finding a Guru everywhere, in many forms, bring forth the Guru to find you?
I agree. There must be a need felt. And ultimately Guru, being one's own tattva, is revealed. There being no second Seer, Knower, and Doer, the concept of Guru approaching disciple or disciple approaching Guru becomes vague.
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend Methylatedghost,
There exists no vacuum in existence and a simple vibration [thought] immediately gets the response but the response also depends on the intensity of the vibration. So, whatever one desires one finds and desiring a guru is also a desire.
BUT when one is just yearning for knowledge or searching for a path then again depending on the intensity it too gets fulfilled by unknown mediums in various forms.
They are all gurus and recoginsing gurus in various forms too requires awareness.
A child cries the mother understands what the child needs depending on the intensity of the cries [sound].
Existence is our mother and it is always there to fulfill our needs depending on the intensity of our cries the mother responds. Gurus too are sometimes give birth to disciples through germinating seeds of consciousness is individuals whom they find to be suitable and then the relationship is like mother and child eg. Ramakrishna and Vivekanada.
Love & rgds
There exists no vacuum in existence and a simple vibration [thought] immediately gets the response but the response also depends on the intensity of the vibration. So, whatever one desires one finds and desiring a guru is also a desire.
BUT when one is just yearning for knowledge or searching for a path then again depending on the intensity it too gets fulfilled by unknown mediums in various forms.
They are all gurus and recoginsing gurus in various forms too requires awareness.
A child cries the mother understands what the child needs depending on the intensity of the cries [sound].
Existence is our mother and it is always there to fulfill our needs depending on the intensity of our cries the mother responds. Gurus too are sometimes give birth to disciples through germinating seeds of consciousness is individuals whom they find to be suitable and then the relationship is like mother and child eg. Ramakrishna and Vivekanada.
Love & rgds
Yes I have recognised and it was obvious. Lets just say great souls emit energy, but then I'm not the advertising type.
Yet there are others who've I've met who I personally didn't connect to, yet others did. So the finding and recognising of Guru is very very personal.
imaginaryme
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When one is thus enlightened, it is oft "the guru of banality," necessary for translation
When one is thus enlightened, it is oft "the guru of banality," necessary for translation
It is true that the Guru is beyond all needs.
But to say that dakshina to Guru, embodied in body, is banality is wrong. I agree with Vinyaka. While we are in body one must take care of one's own body-mind and also help others. Serving guru as per one's own limits, without developing an ego that one is helping the Guru is recommended in shastra and there is nothing banal in it.
Do you feel heat from the sun? Are you able to recognise it? If a great soul was sitting incognito in a restaurant, certain people (those who are inner enough to feel it) would stop or notice. Many others would walk right on by.
Although it is true that we are all the Self, understanding it philosophically, and realising it from direct experience are two different things. All souls are great ... in potential energy. I make the distinction in souls as young and old, not great and small. I think that way is better suited.
Maybe this , in relation to the Self, may help you understand my understanding.
levels ... (soul age if you must)
1) never heard of it, acts almost criminally, selfish
2) heard of it in books ... thinks toward acing morally
3) beginning to meditate, senses its existence, still all over the emotional map
4) calmer, senses it on several levels, meditation is 'productive', intuition is developing, acts wisely and in kindness, emotionally stable
5) fully realised, clear subconscious, radiates energy, speaks directly from inner knowledge
So you get the picture. We're all #5 on a deep level, but out here in the world of anava and maya and karma... nope.
Yes, in a sense this is true. Although everyone is on the path in a sense, having a guru means you are ready to follow his teachings explicitly. This requires discipline, sincerity, and appreciation. Most importantly, it signals an end to attachment to the physical life. Most people I've spoken to want god, but they cannot release their attachment to material considerations (which is very understandable). There is no point in studying with a guru if, after leaving his presence, one places their attention right back on wealth, house, fame, family.
Also, many would like to find the guru just to have the guru verify their current belief system. There is much unlearning to be done, and until a person has exhausted the majority of their karma and exhausted their desire for earthly pleasures (finding a "soul mate" is such a strong desire in our society!), they are better served by life as their teacher, and not the guru. So become an astronaut, climb the steps of Machu Picchu, and win a Nobel peace prize, but do not yearn for a guru until these no longer have any appeal.
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend atanu,
Meaning that a guru in oneness is all fulfilled and beyond desires and so if someone wishes to be of service to such individual's is their own karma as gurudakshina is not necessarily be in the form of money but by surrendering in totality is better than any dakshsina.
Love & rgds
Sorry, those words/thoughts have never been uttered. The sentence was:
Meaning that a guru in oneness is all fulfilled and beyond desires and so if someone wishes to be of service to such individual's is their own karma as gurudakshina is not necessarily be in the form of money but by surrendering in totality is better than any dakshsina.
Love & rgds
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend Vinayaka,
Souls cannot be young or old as they are mere consciousness which appears fragmented by the delusional mind.
MAYA is only the perception of delusional minds and so
When realised then there is only Oneness and no maya or divisions of young/old, great/ small etc.
Love & rgds
Most by default are always there, nothing exceptional.
Souls cannot be young or old as they are mere consciousness which appears fragmented by the delusional mind.
MAYA is only the perception of delusional minds and so
is only perception through the same delusional mind.
When realised then there is only Oneness and no maya or divisions of young/old, great/ small etc.
Love & rgds
I-Ching
Aspiring to Transcendence
In this Age Kali the order of Swami / sanniyasa is forbidden. Souls in this age are not qualified to give Guidance. There be a few rare True Guru's but they are either inundated with disciples or secluded. They can not give sufficient personal Guidance. Therefore the using the I-Ching to communicate with ones Guru is the best solution. One can carry the I-Ching with you anywhere and it can give personal Guidance that can help you to advance in any condition of life.
Obviously we've had different experiences then, which is fine. I'm not here to argue with you.
Allow me dear friend. I think all by default are always there, only a few recognise.
Does it suit you?