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Poeticus

| abhyAvartin |
Meh 2, 1 million, or zero it doesn't really matter :). We all have our beliefs and Gods and opinions feelings and experiences. I think as long as your staying within dharma and getting closer to God (or the Gods :)) every day and it makes you happy, why not?

Oh, don't forget, Hinduism doesn't have "330 Million" Gods. I believe the idea of "330 Million" Gods arose when India became a free country in 1947; I believe the population was 330 Million, and they were referred to as "Jiva-s" or liberated life forces. Metaphorically they were referred to as 330 Million Gods.

For some reason, this idea of "330 Million Gods" took precedence over what was being signified.
 
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Kalidas

Well-Known Member
मैत्रावरुणिः;3445869 said:
Oh, don't forget, Hinduism doesn't have "330 Million" Gods. I believe the idea of "330 Million" Gods arose when India became a free country in 1947; I believe the population was 330 Million, and they were referred to as "Jiva-s" or liberated life forces. Metaphorically they were referred to as 330 Million Gods.

For some reason, this idea of "330 Million Gods" too precedence over what was being signified.

I know they don't I was just throwing random numbers out there.
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
Namaste

Actually, I was taught in Varanasi that Kashi has 330 millions Devatas that come. Remembering a name to a face is an admired skill set in society, and often touted as a key to success. So the reason I am in no hurry to become One or have total moksha right now is I sort of have my goal to learn the names of all 330 million, and to put them to the image of each Devata.

The problem is, my progress on this has been real slow, so it probably will take a long, long time and many perhaps. Hopefully I will pick up the pace. My goal is to be at personal acquaintance with all 33 crores (330 million). Some are subject matter experts on scripture, or Upanishad,or jyotish science, on and on, but my passion is the Histories and Personalities of the Devas and Devi.

wish me luck...

Om Namah Sivaya
 

Kalidas

Well-Known Member
Namaste

Actually, I was taught in Varanasi that Kashi has 330 millions Devatas that come. Remembering a name to a face is an admired skill set in society, and often touted as a key to success. So the reason I am in no hurry to become One or have total moksha right now is I sort of have my goal to learn the names of all 330 million, and to put them to the image of each Devata.

The problem is, my progress on this has been real slow, so it probably will take a long, long time and many perhaps. Hopefully I will pick up the pace. My goal is to be at personal acquaintance with all 33 crores (330 million). Some are subject matter experts on scripture, or Upanishad,or jyotish science, on and on, but my passion is the Histories and Personalities of the Devas and Devi.


wish me luck...

Om Namah Sivaya

Wow! What a goal to have. You don't need luck you need divine intervention! Lol
 

Philomath

Sadhaka
Namaste

Actually, I was taught in Varanasi that Kashi has 330 millions Devatas that come. Remembering a name to a face is an admired skill set in society, and often touted as a key to success. So the reason I am in no hurry to become One or have total moksha right now is I sort of have my goal to learn the names of all 330 million, and to put them to the image of each Devata.

The problem is, my progress on this has been real slow, so it probably will take a long, long time and many perhaps. Hopefully I will pick up the pace. My goal is to be at personal acquaintance with all 33 crores (330 million). Some are subject matter experts on scripture, or Upanishad,or jyotish science, on and on, but my passion is the Histories and Personalities of the Devas and Devi.

wish me luck...

Om Namah Sivaya

That is quite a lofty goal. I only know 15 or so deities.
 

Kalidas

Well-Known Member
My next question comes from a statement someone said a while back. I think ti was Vinayaka and Jainarayan(sorry for mentioning your names if you didn't want me to) added to it with his cute story of the drowning man(thank you for that). the idea of if there are too many deities on a shrine which is God? I think Vinayaka said if a grandchild asks who is God he can look at Shiva and say "He is". So now I wonder if I do add more tot he shrine how does one make sure not to get to "convoluted"? to have the many deities but still have that one special whom to you is God?

sorry I know these question may sound silly to you but in terms of Hindus practice I am an equivalent to a child (2 years is a short time) asking why and how, to question you may have answered years ago. So bare with me? :D
 

Philomath

Sadhaka
My next question comes from a statement someone said a while back. I think ti was Vinayaka and Jainarayan(sorry for mentioning your names if you didn't want me to) added to it with his cute story of the drowning man(thank you for that). the idea of if there are too many deities on a shrine which is God? I think Vinayaka said if a grandchild asks who is God he can look at Shiva and say "He is". So now I wonder if I do add more tot he shrine how does one make sure not to get to "convoluted"? to have the many deities but still have that one special whom to you is God?

sorry I know these question may sound silly to you but in terms of Hindus practice I am an equivalent to a child (2 years is a short time) asking why and how, to question you may have answered years ago. So bare with me? :D

You have much more knowledge than me. If your a 2 year old I must a 1 month old then lol.
 

Poeticus

| abhyAvartin |
My next question comes from a statement someone said a while back. I think ti was Vinayaka and Jainarayan(sorry for mentioning your names if you didn't want me to) added to it with his cute story of the drowning man(thank you for that). the idea of if there are too many deities on a shrine which is God? I think Vinayaka said if a grandchild asks who is God he can look at Shiva and say "He is". So now I wonder if I do add more tot he shrine how does one make sure not to get to "convoluted"? to have the many deities but still have that one special whom to you is God?

sorry I know these question may sound silly to you but in terms of Hindus practice I am an equivalent to a child (2 years is a short time) asking why and how, to question you may have answered years ago. So bare with me? :D

Namaste,

But, don't you think the question "Who is God?" shows the problem of today regarding Hinduism?

For example: in Ancient Greece, no one would really ask, "who is God?"...nor would anyone ask such a question in Ancient Rome. And, I doubt someone would ask such a question in Vedic India (really Ancient India).

If a very young child from my family were to ask me "but, MV, who is God? there are so many murtis here in your altar"....

I would answer saying "there is no 'god'...there are Gods..."

The mere notion of plurality and multiplicity isn't the sign of a backward conception - polytheism is very intricate and highly complex; polytheism expounds upon a heightened and evolved consciousness....

A normal mind would have no problem sticking with one; but an evolved consciousness could never stick to just one "god" - it would be too contradictory and even too one-dimensional.

It takes more thinking power to come up with more "Gods" than it does with "one god".

Monotheism, to me (in my opinion), is like simple mathematics. Polytheism, to me (in my opinion), is like Calculus - Calculus expounds upon the notion of an evolved consciousness, more brainpower, more thought processing is involved.

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If the Rig Vedic Seers/Priests were monotheists, they would have stopped at "ekam sat" (even though that verse isn't attributed to what many falsely believe as the "One True God"); there would have been no need to construct reveled hymns to other deities.

Many will purport (without scriptural evidence) that "Oh, MV, you are being too weird: all these deities are just metaphors and blah blah blah". Really guys; just metaphors? Why are you guys taking an easy way out and not even traversing upon the intricate evolved consciousness expressed in the Shri Vedas? - is something I would ask them. The Shri Rig Veda even has a word for those types of "manipulators" - they are referred to as the "withholders".

The biggest hindrance to the revival of Vedic religion in India is the Arya Samaj. Probably you have heard of them and probably you have not. But, there goal is to spread the false lie that the Vedas (and especially Shri Rig Veda) talk about a One True God.

If the Seers/Rishis/Priests of Vedic India were alive today, they would curse these ruffians and profaners of the holy (which would be the "withholders") into oblivion for manipulating the Vedic religion.

Coming back on track: I would reply to someone who asked me "who is god" after looking at my altar with the simple answer of "there is no god, there are only Gods".

I don't care, call me a heathen, call me a kafir, call me even an anārya and avrata (Sanskrit for non-Arya; for someone who doesn't heed the fire rites; which would be ironic since I would be the only person who would actually be heeding to the Vrata ideals - conduction of fire rites).

I am Vedic as they come.

If Hindus have a problem of me not believing in their "One True God", so be it. I have no problem with what and how they worship. Just don't call me wrong, otherwise I will go Rig Vedic on those people and make them believe that the Rig Veda isn't even Hindu. Who do they think they are? Last time I checked, Hindus don't force their religion and sectarian ideas on other people, especially not other Hindus.

In my opinion, I believe that certain Hindus get very sensitive when other Hindus practice polytheism; they either see it as an attack to their own Hindu foundation or they see my way of Hinduism as a corruption. But, how in the world could it be a corruption? If I applied their logic, it would be logical for me to say that their monotheism is the actual corruption - making Lord Shri Indra as a demigod, making Lord Shri Varuna a demigod who gets defeated by a human incarnation, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. (By the way, I love Lord Shri Ram - so don't get me wrong). In essence, it is these Hindu monotheists that have turned Vedicism upside down. It is them who have went away from the path of the sacrificial fire and the consumption of Soma.

They purport that their way of Hinduism is the truth; and that my way of Hinduism is wrong and evil (there words, not mine). Well, if they have the audacity to say that, then it is fair for me to state that "true Hinduism" died out around 500 BCE when the Buddha was born and was completely made obsolete by 200 BCE during the time of the newly converted Buddhist Emperor Ashoka.

The "Hinduism" that revived itself around 200 AD was a mixture of Jainism, Buddhism, and Vedicism.

But, when I lay these points to the Hindu monotheists, they call me even more names. Well, what did they expect? Cotton candy and Twix candy bars???

They can't expect to insult and not receive discontent in the end.

future son/daughter of mine: "Father, who is god?"

me: "there is no god, there are Gods....with an "s"..."

M.V.

ps - This was not addressed to anyone here on RF.
 
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Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Having 50 Supreme Gods is like saying there are 50 people in a race and they all won. You can easily have 50 people in the race, but they can't all win. (This is just an analogy for my view.)
 

Poeticus

| abhyAvartin |
Having 50 Supreme Gods is like saying there are 50 people in a race and they all won. You can easily have 50 people in the race, but they can't all win. (This is just an analogy for my view.)

33, homie. Not 50. Just 33. And, they would never partake in a race. They aren't human nor have human tendencies or characteristics or personalities (like "jealous god" stuff).

(my analogy for those that say having more than one god would be confusing because of which god would be supreme in the end or who would be the winner in a race -)

But, I understand what you are trying to say. It's all good. I get your point though.

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Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
मैत्रावरुणिः;3446020 said:
It's all good. I get your point though.

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**Mystics don't argue.**

And I yours. :yes:
 

Philomath

Sadhaka
I mean I have only been a Hindu for 2 years lol. Knowledge is subjective. You know so much more about about sadhus then I do

That's longer than me lol. I know about Sadhu's because I have a high interest in them, I think I may have been one in a past life.
 

Kalidas

Well-Known Member
That's longer than me lol. I know about Sadhu's because I have a high interest in them, I think I may have been one in a past life.

MAYBE! How cool would that be?

Super excited just bought a 12$ little end table as my new altar. It is higher off the ground and the wood is nice and lacquered so no splinters ruining my fabric! Super happy right now :D
 

Philomath

Sadhaka
MAYBE! How cool would that be?

Super excited just bought a 12$ little end table as my new altar. It is higher off the ground and the wood is nice and lacquered so no splinters ruining my fabric! Super happy right now :D

It'd be totally awesome if I was :D

It's for your Mother Kali altar?
 

Poeticus

| abhyAvartin |
MAYBE! How cool would that be?

Super excited just bought a 12$ little end table as my new altar. It is higher off the ground and the wood is nice and lacquered so no splinters ruining my fabric! Super happy right now :D

$12 table?!?! And a little end one!?!?! You got good shopping skills, brah. I like your cheapness. I am really cheap too! Let us all unite! Hip-hip - hooray!!!!
 

Kalidas

Well-Known Member
मैत्रावरुणिः;3446172 said:
$12 table?!?! And a little end one!?!?! You got good shopping skills, brah. I like your cheapness. I am really cheap too! Let us all unite! Hip-hip - hooray!!!!

YAY being frugal!
 
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