Alceste
Vagabond
Also non-bearded cultures tended to view bearded men as devils or gods on first contact. That don't make it so.
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Also non-bearded cultures tended to view bearded men as devils or gods on first contact. That don't make it so.
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
Reading through the thread, it's interesting to see how strong the urge for many people is to place others into specific categories and attach specific labels and definitions upon them.
They seem threatened by the idea of a person who does not fit easily into whatever existing categories they choose to delineate the world into.
Why are we so keen to do this?
Person 'A' could be gay, straight, bisexual, transvestite, hermaphrodite, metrosexual, transexual - or possible just Tom.
Gender is not a polarity, it is a spectrum.
They seem threatened by the idea of a person who does not fit easily into whatever existing categories they choose to delineate the world into.
Why are we so keen to do this?
Person 'A' could be gay, straight, bisexual, transvestite, hermaphrodite, metrosexual, transexual - or possible just Tom.
Gender is not a polarity, it is a spectrum.
Since when are drag queens supposed to be "an accurate portrayal of feminine aestheticism"?
Gehennaite
Active Member
Gotcha.
We can blatantly discard thousands of years of historical perspectives on beards because slavery happened. Never mind that slavery was absolutely necessary to sustain civilizations in technologically primitive times. I'm sure they could've invented a better way of mass producing enough agriculture to feed the masses... like aliens or magic.
It's part of your genetic identity. Billions of years of evolution occurred just so you could have it. Why deny a valid expression of your nature? Show the fruits of mother nature's labor.
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Gehennaite
Active Member
I don't refer to anything as a "she" unless it fits a certain paradigm of femininity. Enlighten us as to what drag queens are supposed to be.Since when are drag queens supposed to be "an accurate portrayal of feminine aestheticism"?
It's already been explained that drag queens are performance artists who create exaggerated female personas to act out. It just so happens that Tom choose a bearded lady as the feminine persona to act out. So are you say that bearded women aren't women?
You make zero sense and are just shooting your argument in the foot over and over.
Gehennaite
Active Member
I thought this person was a legit transvestite. I actually respect TVs. Drag queens, not so much.
The line between transvestites & drag queens are far too similar. If this is just a drag act and not a legit transvestite, then whatever... I am clearly wasting my time. Wasted potential, IMO. He'd make for a good full-time "she" in the trans-community.
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
Why not just respect them all equally? Why have a beef with another persons appearance?
It has been explained over and over that this person is a drag queen. Transvestites aren't likely to make their fetish so public.
No, transvestites and drag queens are not "similar". Transvestites are straight men who have a sexual fetish. Drag queens are gay or queer men who like to play around with gender as a performance. What is your problem with drag queens?
Gehennaite
Active Member
I don't like drag queens. Period. They have no business parodying genders, especially when there are plenty of people in the trans-community trying to fight for acceptance.
Drag queens are just attention seekers making that struggle for trans-people harder.
I understand the difference between TV and drag. Drags are blurring the line and damaging the reputation of TV/TS/TG.
What I don't like is the blatant disregard for those in the transcommunity that actually take their identity seriously. RuPaul had some snarky *** comment about transgenders that is totally unacceptable. I just finished reading this article. I think it explains well why I disapprove of drag culture:
Drag Culture Hurts the Transgender Community | The Bilerico Project
I'm aware of what RuPaul said. I don't think he was right to say it and should recognize why people would find it offensive. However, there's really no separating drag from transgender culture. It's a part of it. Many trans people are drag queens and kings. The two have been intertwined since the beginning.
To me, that article sounds like an attempt to throw drag culture under the bus. "The right-wingers might think we're like them so drag culture is holding us back!". That does nothing to help the issue. It's no better than how some gays and lesbians throw trans people as a whole under the bus, or how some people in the LGBT community throw the Leather and Kink community under the bus, or throw flamboyant gay men and butch lesbians under the bus. "They're the freaks who don't represent us! We're normal!". It's all about policing expression so that we don't scare the stereotypical ignorant heteros. This in-fighting is shameful and has, sadly, been going on for decades.
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Alceste
Vagabond
It's not a transvestite. It's a performance artist who created a bearded lady character in order to bring bizarre, self-contradictory, irrational ideas about gender like your own out into the open for public scrutiny.
Gehennaite
Active Member
I called you out on your straw-man. Deal with it.
You should know we wouldn't have anywhere near the comforts, nor the freedoms, if it weren't for slavery. Slavery was necessary, and therefore justifiable at the time, for the progression of humankind. Without it, the modern world and all its fanciful privileges would have never occurred.
You should be thankful. And slavery is still alive and thriving in the modern world. You're merely suffering from the illusion of being "free":
Wage slavery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
What a pitiful cop-out. Try avoiding straw-men next time...
Gehennaite
Active Member
Your contribution to this discussion has been nothing more than comments from the peanut gallery.
How about you reveal to us some of your superior intellect, for clearly mine is nothing more than "bizarre, contradictory, and irrational". I'd like you to submit a logical argument of your own for a change. Clearly I have much to learn, otherwise you wouldn't have so boastfully interjected multiple times in this discussion.
Tell us Alceste, oh high priestess of wisdom.
Alceste
Vagabond
Hyuck, you made me snort my chardonnay up my nose. Doubly delicious.
MD
qualiaphile
I actually don't care at all that this transgendered person is expressing their gender identity this way. They may be doing it for fame or attention or wtv, but I don't care.
Stuff like this has existed for millenia, it's probably what pedastry was more about and that is a sexual custom that has existed in all cultures. Aboriginal groups, Greeks, Persians, Japanese, Egyptians all had transgendered peoples thousands of years ago. It's part of the spectrum of gender identity, just like sexuality is also a part of a spectrum.
As someone who is prettty conservative I am more concerned with other topics such as the loss of culture, morality and values, the weakening of the family, etc. This is not a loss of values, it's just someone expressing themselves.
Feels weird to hold a liberal view
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Stuff like this has existed for millenia, it's probably what pedastry was more about and that is a sexual custom that has existed in all cultures. Aboriginal groups, Greeks, Persians, Japanese, Egyptians all had transgendered peoples thousands of years ago. It's part of the spectrum of gender identity, just like sexuality is also a part of a spectrum.
As someone who is prettty conservative I am more concerned with other topics such as the loss of culture, morality and values, the weakening of the family, etc. This is not a loss of values, it's just someone expressing themselves.
Feels weird to hold a liberal view
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Alceste
Vagabond
Time for a musical interlude
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fmo1Sjn7dg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fmo1Sjn7dg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Alceste
Vagabond
I actually don't care at all that this transgendered person is expressing their gender identity this way. They may be doing it for fame or attention or wtv, but I don't care.
Stuff like this has existed for millenia, it's probably what pedastry was more about and that is a sexual custom that has existed in all cultures. Aboriginal groups, Greeks, Persians, Japanese, Egyptians all had transgendered peoples thousands of years ago. It's part of the spectrum of gender identity, just like sexuality is also a part of a spectrum.
As someone who is prettty conservative I am more concerned with other topics such as the loss of culture, morality and values, the weakening of the family, etc. This is not a loss of values, it's just someone expressing themselves.
Feels weird to hold a liberal view
We'll get you, my pretty!
Bunyip
pro scapegoat
So you are bigoted towards drag queens. Needless to say you are disliking a group of people, few (if any ) of which you have met.
My advice to you would be to stow your judgemental streak and take each individual drag queen as you find her. Rather than judging people before you have met them.
How do you feel about African Americans? Chinese people? Do you have some sort of gross generalisation that you can justify disliking those groups as well?