New Ohio law allows students to be scientifically wrong.

[ecco]

Is that how truth appears in your mind? Strange.

Dad, truth cannot make its way into your mind. The folks who handled your religious indoctrination made sure of that.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Dad, truth cannot make its way into your mind. The folks who handled your religious indoctrination made sure of that.

Indeed. One is reminded of a large, thick concrete wall... and inside, all original thoughts have withered and died, for lack of freshness.

 

[Darkforbid]

Prove me wrong-- show me how Exodus 21 is NOT worthy of hate speech.

Can you do it? Can you make a sad and depraved attempt to "justify" slavery?

Or will you just ignore the FACT that Exodus 21 explains how to buy, sell and care for SLAVES?



Indeed you have no time, nor intelligence, nor education to even attempt such a thing-- instead you hurl horrific insults, as in the below.



LMAO! Your ego is literally without limit, here-- you think YOU are somehow Appointed By God to Straighten People Out? Oh. My.


Yet... Jesus was okay with slavery....


THERE IT IS: YOU ATTEMPTING TO JUSTIFY THE OWNERSHIP OF PEOPLE.

Regardless of what you call it... Pure Evil in writing.


Citation Needed. I note that none is offered...

If slavery is evil as you claim.

Explain the historical alternatives to slavery

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

If slavery is evil as you claim.

Explain the historical alternatives to slavery

Paying people a far wage for their consenting labour? Is the world so crazy that this is now a radical idea?

 

[Subduction Zone]

If slavery is evil as you claim.

Explain the historical alternatives to slavery

So you could not show how slavery is not evil. By the way, the God of Exodus was supposedly a pretty powerful guy (I think that it was not until later that it was discovered that iron chariot wheels could defeat him). Surely if he was an all powerful God he could have outlawed slavery. Yes, people back then were less moral than people are today. That is still a weak excuse to support slavery.

 

[dad]

If slavery is evil as you claim.

Explain the historical alternatives to slavery

Starvation and death and torture?

 

[dad]

Paying people a far wage for their consenting labour? Is the world so crazy that this is now a radical idea?

In a perfect world that would be wonderful. Have you not realized the world is fallen and wicked?

 

[dad]

So you could not show how slavery is not evil. By the way, the God of Exodus was supposedly a pretty powerful guy (I think that it was not until later that it was discovered that iron chariot wheels could defeat him). Surely if he was an all powerful God he could have outlawed slavery. Yes, people back then were less moral than people are today. That is still a weak excuse to support slavery.

God will outlaw wickedness one day. However, why not use the free will we now have in this wicked world to chose light over darkness and life over death? Once He intervenes and cleans up the mess, only those who accepted Jesus will remain. Then there will be no more slavery! So it should be obvious what causes it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

God will outlaw wickedness one day. However, why not use the free will we now have in this wicked world to chose light over darkness and life over death? Once He intervenes and cleans up the mess, only those who accepted Jesus will remain. Then there will be no more slavery! So it should be obvious what causes it.

The problem was that he endorsed the practice. He could have had not owning people part of the Ten Commandments. Instead he told the Hebrews who they could buy slaves from.

 

[dad]

The problem was that he endorsed the practice. He could have had not owning people part of the Ten Commandments. Instead he told the Hebrews who they could buy slaves from.

Some would say that if we wear clothes made in sweat shops in Bangladesh or someplace that you are endorsing slavery. Also if you shop at many stores, use Apple products of any kind, used an escort service, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.
Telling Israel how to treat employees/slaves was a needed thing at the time. God no more endorses slavery than murder or lying or etc.

We read in the bible that there are ships trading in slaves in the final little period of man's rule on earth. So that outcropping of wickedness (like there being poor people, rape, etc etc) will always be here as long as there are people who do not have God in their hearts, and as long as sin is in the world.

Soon as the kingdom of God comes we see that all end.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Some would say that if we wear clothes made in sweat shops in Bangladesh or someplace that you are endorsing slavery. Also if you shop at many stores, use Apple products of any kind, used an escort service, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.
Telling Israel how to treat employees/slaves was a needed thing at the time. God no more endorses slavery than murder or lying or etc.

We read in the bible that there are ships trading in slaves in the final little period of man's rule on earth. So that outcropping of wickedness (like there being poor people, rape, etc etc) will always be here as long as there are people who do not have God in their hearts, and as long as sin is in the world.

Soon as the kingdom of God comes we see that all end.

No, like it or not your version of God endorsed slavery. Your mythical version has the power to end slavery, instead he told people where to buy them. That was an endorsement. A person's limited ability to choose where the products that he purchases come from is not even a close analogy. This is another epic fail.

Also, your post indicates that you do not understand a global economy. To lift people out of poverty the first step is low paying factories. There are countries that have done that. It cannot be done with donations, that has been shown not to work. So your analogy fails on that level too. If your god was all powerful he could have banned slavery and enforced it. Especially for "his people". He obviously did not care that much. He only cared a bit when Hebrews were enslaved but not others. That is not moral either.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

If slavery is evil as you claim.

Explain the historical alternatives to slavery

Whataboutism. Any book that extols the "virtue" of the care and purchase of slaves?

Is an immoral book. IF it comes from a Deity? Said deity is Immoral as well.

The FIRST COMMANDMENT? Should have been: DO NOT OWN PEOPLE. EVER.

Instead it's a narcissistic command of jealousy. Also immoral.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Slavery existed and was part of life at that time.

So THAT is your EXCUSE for the IMMORALITY of Exodus 21?

That your god was SO FEEBLE it could not forbid something? The bible seems to have no problem forbidding pork-- which was even MORE COMMON than slavery was...! (else we'd never have domesticated them).

Or circumcision! The mutilation of external sex organs was not very common at ALL-- but the bible's god didn't seem to have a problem demanding THAT.

Or mixed fabrics (forbidden). Or multi-plant gardens (forbidden).

Your argument? Is utterly, completely and without morality OR merit.

As such-- I'm ignoring the rest of your rant until you can address this issue.

 

[dad]

So THAT is your EXCUSE for the IMMORALITY of Exodus 21?

That your god was SO FEEBLE it could not forbid something? The bible seems to have no problem forbidding pork-- which was even MORE COMMON than slavery was...! (else we'd never have domesticated them).

Or circumcision! The mutilation of external sex organs was not very common at ALL-- but the bible's god didn't seem to have a problem demanding THAT.

Or mixed fabrics (forbidden). Or multi-plant gardens (forbidden).

Your argument? Is utterly, completely and without morality OR merit.

As such-- I'm ignoring the rest of your rant until you can address this issue.

I can see why you would ignore modern slavery under various other names. If we put the number of modern slaves on one side of the scale and the number of slaves in history, it might be something like 90% of all slaves that ever lived were alive in the last 50 years? Ha. So you want to harp on some 10% of a population of slaves to try and bash God and the bible. Nice.

Should God have isolated Israel so much that they could not function in the world at that time, which happened to include slavery as part of society?? Seems like an unsound proposition to me. Better to teach them how to deal with the wicked world. Is there slavery existing? Well, be kind to slaves. Is there lending in the world? Well, don't charge interest and take advantage of people's suffering. Was there filthy habits in society? Well, teach them how to be clean and wash up. Etc.

By your standards, you could not wear clothes today, travel, buy toys or computers or machines, or almost anything because some slave labor is involved. No country could function unless they were puritans. God doesn't like wickedness including slavery or poverty. However that does not mean that His people cannot use the world and all that is in it for Him and His word and will, and even for themselves as strangers in this world!

 

[Brickjectivity]

So THAT is your EXCUSE for the IMMORALITY of Exodus 21?

That your god was SO FEEBLE it could not forbid something? The bible seems to have no problem forbidding pork-- which was even MORE COMMON than slavery was...! (else we'd never have domesticated them).

Or circumcision! The mutilation of external sex organs was not very common at ALL-- but the bible's god didn't seem to have a problem demanding THAT.

Or mixed fabrics (forbidden). Or multi-plant gardens (forbidden).

Your argument? Is utterly, completely and without morality OR merit.

As such-- I'm ignoring the rest of your rant until you can address this issue.

I don't think you're bible bashing.

Your objection seems to be that if God is a deity/person that they'd of course be able to come up with a solution that didn't involve slavery in any form, and so you say either they wouldn't or they couldn't. Its an argument about an invisible conceptual, impossible to touch word; hardly bible bashing. The prohibition against mixed fabrics is, by the way, much worse in my opinion than circumcision though circumcision seems to capture your attention. You actually don't seem like someone who hates pondering the big questions or simply likes bashing good things.

Slavery I agree is not good. Everyone should also ask "Why did the Israelites have to complain for 400 years to be heard?" This is exactly the kind of question that people are supposed to ask but don't. Some today are afraid to even ask it for fear they will be doubting by doing so. Was it good that they were slaves? No? Why then were they slaves for four centuries in the story? It is good for there to be slaves or not? Give it a doubt.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Opinion:
We're supposed to inquire. What we aren't supposed to do is use the same mouth that we use to bless God to then criticize other people who are made in God's image, calling them 'Fools' or 'Evil'. Its not Ok to slander Scientists for teaching what they understand. When talking about this James rhetorically asked "Can a salt spring produce fresh water?" The word 'Devil' should be translated instead of transliterated. It means 'the one that falsely brings a charge'.

 

[ecco]

Have you not realized the world is fallen and wicked?

Religious scripture has contributed mightily to the wickedness of man.

 

[ecco]

Soon as the kingdom of God comes we see that all end.

The Great Abolitionist is coming!

S t i l l xxx w a i t i n g

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I can see why you would ignore modern slavery under various other names. If we put the number of modern slaves on one side of the scale and the number of slaves in history, it might be something like 90% of all slaves that ever lived were alive in the last 50 years? Ha. So you want to harp on some 10% of a population of slaves to try and bash God and the bible. Nice.

Should God have isolated Israel so much that they could not function in the world at that time, which happened to include slavery as part of society?? Seems like an unsound proposition to me. Better to teach them how to deal with the wicked world. Is there slavery existing? Well, be kind to slaves. Is there lending in the world? Well, don't charge interest and take advantage of people's suffering. Was there filthy habits in society? Well, teach them how to be clean and wash up. Etc.

By your standards, you could not wear clothes today, travel, buy toys or computers or machines, or almost anything because some slave labor is involved. No country could function unless they were puritans. God doesn't like wickedness including slavery or poverty. However that does not mean that His people cannot use the world and all that is in it for Him and His word and will, and even for themselves as strangers in this world!

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Blah, blah, blah-- YOU DID NOT EXPLAIN EXODUS 21!

YOU DID NOT EVEN MAKE AN ATTEMPT!

100% of your word-salad above? WHATABOUTISM.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I don't think you're bible bashing.

Your objection seems to be that if God is a deity/person that they'd of course be able to come up with a solution that didn't involve slavery in any form, and so you say either they wouldn't or they couldn't. Its an argument about an invisible conceptual, impossible to touch word; hardly bible bashing. The prohibition against mixed fabrics is, by the way, much worse in my opinion than circumcision though circumcision seems to capture your attention. You actually don't seem like someone who hates pondering the big questions or simply likes bashing good things.

Slavery I agree is not good. Everyone should also ask "Why did the Israelites have to complain for 400 years to be heard?" This is exactly the kind of question that people are supposed to ask but don't. Some today are afraid to even ask it for fear they will be doubting by doing so. Was it good that they were slaves? No? Why then were they slaves for four centuries in the story? It is good for there to be slaves or not? Give it a doubt.

I read over your post twice-- and whereas there are interesting questions?

There are zero answers to the gross immorality of Exodus 21, and the bible telling people how to buy slaves, how to nominally care for them, and so forth.

The bible is IMMORAL, because of this.

Either the bible is NOT OF ANY GODS? And is entirely of MEN? Meaning it's not even remotely a justified reason to believe in the first place?

Or the bible IS of a god-- a god who is maliciously evil.