New Ohio law allows students to be scientifically wrong.

[Brickjectivity]

I read over your post twice-- and whereas there are interesting questions?

There are zero answers to the gross immorality of Exodus 21, and the bible telling people how to buy slaves, how to nominally care for them, and so forth.

The bible is IMMORAL, because of this.

Either the bible is NOT OF ANY GODS? And is entirely of MEN? Meaning it's not even remotely a justified reason to believe in the first place?

Or the bible IS of a god-- a god who is maliciously evil.

I reaffirm that creationism shouldn't be taught in publicly funded schools.

I don't agree with either of you about what canon is, and I don't have to. I'm also pretty sure that questioning God is not bible bashing nor is arguing against malicious deities, and criticizing slavery in the canon is fair game if its done in a scholarly fashion. This doesn't require me accepting either of your views. I think though that you are addressing me with an assumed dichotomy in your argument which can only address user dad's rigid confidence in the same dichotomy. You're speaking to him in his sphere. I'm merely objecting to user dad calling you a bible basher.

 

[cladking]

In other words, keep their cotton picking religious beliefs that oppose founding religions out of the mandatory education/paid for by the people education system.

Back before this country jumped the shark everyone had a right to express their beliefs anywhere and anytime they wanted. Nobody had a right to be offended.

A kid has a perfect right to express an opinion different than his teacher's but if he did it on a test that opinion would be marked "wrong".

Despite the death and sacrifice of millions who fought in wars to protect our rights, they no longer exist. There are now only civil rights and the right to be offended at anything that isn't PC and it's often a crime to be against PC.

We're in serious trouble and people are whistling past the graveyard.

 

[dad]

Religious scripture has contributed mightily to the wickedness of man.

Not God's.

 

[dad]

S t i l l xxx w a i t i n g

OK.

 

[dad]

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Blah, blah, blah-- YOU DID NOT EXPLAIN EXODUS 21!

YOU DID NOT EVEN MAKE AN ATTEMPT!

100% of your word-salad above? WHATABOUTISM.

Sorry if I don't give in to bullying and attempts to convert me to your way of viewing God and His word and Person. (as evil) Perhaps find a thread on proselytizing and blasphemy?!

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Sorry if I don't give in to bullying and attempts to convert me to your way of viewing God and His word and Person. (as evil) Perhaps find a thread on proselytizing and blasphemy?!

You still cannot explain Exodus 21.

Your god? As you describe? Pure Evil.

There you go! you cannot even attempt to refute that observation.... you don't even try.

You go on long rabbit trails that have nothing at all to do with Exodus 21...

 

[cladking]

True. But I would qualify that somewhat. THEY are in serious trouble who have rejected truth and reason and God.

I only agree in part.

It is a mistake to have beliefs without knowing they are beliefs. Faith is a good thing probably but that faith must be founded on knowledge that nothing is certain. People who believe in science frequently don't understand that science is only a process and that its results are open to interpretation and only true within its definitions and axioms. There is no certainty that anyone's understanding of the process and metaphysics is correct about anything other than the logic and math. It's a truism that one plus one one equals two but there are no two identical things in existence and we can't know if God intended this or it's an artefact of a digital reality. We can't know the nature of God or reality because (It) is always hidden from us.

We're all in trouble in part because many individuals need an anchor like religion and "skeptics" who have no comprehension of science are talking many out of their faith. This is in part the fault of government which has destroyed education and taken religion out of society and installing it in schools instead.

 

[dad]

You still cannot explain Exodus 21.

Your god? As you describe? Pure Evil.

There you go! you cannot even attempt to refute that observation.... you don't even try.

You go on long rabbit trails that have nothing at all to do with Exodus 21...

I explained why God does not take over right away but has allowed choice, which means that fallen man lives in a world that is not good and pure right now.

No offense but I couldn't care less what you think of God. Naturally He appears evil to evil people. To good folks He appears good.

 

[dad]

I only agree in part.

It is a mistake to have beliefs without knowing they are beliefs. Faith is a good thing probably but that faith must be founded on knowledge that nothing is certain. People who believe in science frequently don't understand that science is only a process and that its results are open to interpretation and only true within its definitions and axioms. There is no certainty that anyone's understanding of the process and metaphysics is correct about anything other than the logic and math. It's a truism that one plus one one equals two but there are no two identical things in existence and we can't know if God intended this or it's an artefact of a digital reality. We can't know the nature of God or reality because (It) is always hidden from us.

The Christian idea about that is that we now do know God, because He came down and revealed what He was really like.

We're all in trouble in part because many individuals need an anchor like religion and "skeptics" who have no comprehension of science are talking many out of their faith. This is in part the fault of government which has destroyed education and taken religion out of society and installing it in schools instead.

Yes, the rotting and decay and collapse of a nation includes them teaching children lies. All part of the historical process and recycling process of God! Nations get wicked, then they get flicked off into the trash of history.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

I explained why God does not take over right away but has allowed choice, which means that fallen man lives in a world that is not good and pure right now..

Your "explanation" is zero-- it does not explain zip. 100% of y our diatribe? Is WhatAboutIsm.

"what about servants? What about other people? What about--whatabout--whatabout-whatabout-whatabout-whatabout-whatabout-whatabout-whatabout-whatabout-whatabout-whatabout...."

No offense but I couldn't care less what you think of God. Naturally He appears evil to evil people. To good folks He appears good.

Of course! You have obviously embraced The Evil. Slavery IS EVIL-- and you are just FINE with it, clearly.

And? Only an evil person would attempt to call a Slave Promoting god, "good"...!

 

[dad]

Your "explanation" is zero-- it does not explain zip. 100% of y our diatribe? Is WhatAboutIsm.

"what about servants? What about other people? What about--whatabout--whatabout-whatabout-whatabout-whatabout-whatabout-whatabout-whatabout-whatabout-whatabout-whatabout...."



Of course! You have obviously embraced The Evil. Slavery IS EVIL-- and you are just FINE with it, clearly.

And? Only an evil person would attempt to call a Slave Promoting god, "good"...!

Again, your biased opinion from a made up heart and mind about God is of no worth to many of us. You showed yourself unable to accept answers or truth. Not much left to do with you but watch you badmouth God I guess.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Again, your biased opinion from a made up heart and mind about God is of no worth to many of us. You showed yourself unable to accept answers or truth. Not much left to do with you but watch you badmouth God I guess.

I see that you are talking about yourself again by pretending to talk to a poster. I have seen you badmourh God. I have not seem @Bob the Unbeliever do so.

 

[dad]

I see that you are talking about yourself again by pretending to talk to a poster. I have seen you badmourh God. I have not seem @Bob the Unbeliever do so.

Get a room?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Get a room?

dad, it would be nice if you could support your claims.

Tell me, why do you think that your God is evil and incompetent? You repeatedly make that claim.

 

[cladking]

The Christian idea about that is that we now do know God, because He came down and revealed what He was really like.

Yes. I have no problem with this.

However it should be noted that there are numerous religions and many splitters.

Yes, the rotting and decay and collapse of a nation includes them teaching children lies. All part of the historical process and recycling process of God! Nations get wicked, then they get flicked off into the trash of history.

Unfortunately, I am in very close agreement with you on this issue.

 

[dad]

Yes. I have no problem with this.

However it should be noted that there are numerous religions and many splitters.

Always has been, and in Jesus' day that was no exception.

Unfortunately, I am in very close agreement with you on this issue.

Cheer up, it could be worse, you could have agreed with me on several issues.

 

[cladking]

Always has been, and in Jesus' day that was no exception.
Cheer up, it could be worse, you could have agreed with me on several issues.

I'd be proud to agree with you a great deal more but it seems the older I get the less I'm in complete agreement with anyone.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Again, your biased opinion from a made up heart and mind about God is of no worth to many of us. You showed yourself unable to accept answers or truth. Not much left to do with you but watch you badmouth God I guess.

You gave NO ACTUAL ANSWERS. You worship a god who promoted slavery.

That is evil. You can whitewash that all you like? But-- the god you worship is an immoral monster.

Sad.

 

[dad]

I'd be proud to agree with you a great deal more but it seems the older I get the less I'm in complete agreement with anyone.

Hey, I sometimes listen to bible preachers on the radio, and usually rate how much I agree with them (if I can stand them long enough). Some may get a 90%, others a 65%, and maybe some less than 10%.

 

[dad]

You gave NO ACTUAL ANSWERS. You worship a god who promoted slavery.

That is evil. You can whitewash that all you like? But-- the god you worship is an immoral monster.

Sad.

Your opinion of God, good or evil has zero value to me.