New Testament apocrypha

[Pegg]

Jesus did teach the twelf, but one betrayed Him. Paul/Saul wasn't one of the twelf. There is no evidence that Paul/Saul ever heard Jesus preachN and if Acts is taken at face value, he had no training from any of Jesus' 11 disciples, and he had too go to jerusalem to show the "eadership there that his theology is compatable with theirs. And we have only one of his disciples word that they agreed with him

The account in Acts tells us that Paul learnt about Christ through the diciples in Damascus and with the help of the holy spirit:

Acts 9;17  So An·a·ni′as went and entered the house, and he laid his hands on him and said: “Saul, brother, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road along which you were coming, has sent me so that you may recover sight and be filled with holy spirit.” 18 And immediately, what looked like scales fell from his eyes, and he recovered his sight. He then got up and was baptized, 19 and he ate some food and gained strength.
He stayed for some days with the disciples in Damascus,

 

[roger1440]

Tell me what you think about apocryphal writings.
The list of books which should belong to the NT is long. Very long.

so...what induced the Catholic Church to reject all those writings from the Christian doctrine?
Not even Protestantism has revalued those writings.

In one word, the Church was seeking to establish solidarity.

 

[Desert Snake]

Tell me what you think about apocryphal writings.
The list of books which should belong to the NT is long. Very long.

so...what induced the Catholic Church to reject all those writings from the Christian doctrine?
Not even Protestantism has revalued those writings.

Seems like a good question for the Catholic DIR.

 

[roger1440]

Tell me what you think about apocryphal writings.
The list of books which should belong to the NT is long. Very long.

so...what induced the Catholic Church to reject all those writings from the Christian doctrine?
Not even Protestantism has revalued those writings.

I don't know of any "list of books that should belong to the NT".

 

[roger1440]

Tell me what you think about apocryphal writings.
The list of books which should belong to the NT is long. Very long.

so...what induced the Catholic Church to reject all those writings from the Christian doctrine?
Not even Protestantism has revalued those writings.

You want a new New Testament? Ok, you got it. Abracadabra. It came out last year.

A New New Testament: A Bible for the 21st Century Combining Traditional and Newly Discovered Texts: Hal Taussig: 9780547792101: Amazon.com: Books

 

[Estro Felino]

I don't know of any "list of books that should belong to the NT".

well...any book that speaks about Jesus or Christianity, written before the Middle ages, should belong to the NT

 

[Desert Snake]

well...any book that speaks about Jesus or Christianity, written before the Middle ages, should belong to the NT

Why? Christianity existed before books were written (canon) regarding the beliefs, we had the gospels, yes, but they were only compiled after Christianity was already extant. You are placing the cart before the horse, it seems, if you think we know about Jesus and Christianity because of the books, it's the other way around.

 

[Pegg]

well...any book that speaks about Jesus or Christianity, written before the Middle ages, should belong to the NT

if it was written 'during the lifetimes' of Jesus apostles and was 'circulated by them' to the congregations it belongs in the NT.

They are the only writings that should in the Christian scriptures.

Jesus gave authority to those 12 apostles... he gave them holy spirit so that they would lay the 'foundation' for Christianity. Their foundation was laid before the end of the first century...the Apostle John being last surviving apostle to put anything down in writing which were his last 3 letters to the congregations.

And after his death, no more christian writings could be considered part of the Christian Scriptures because no one else had the right to do so.

 

[roger1440]

well...any book that speaks about Jesus or Christianity, written before the Middle ages, should belong to the NT

Why "should" "any book that speaks about Jesus or Christianity" be in the "NT"? The list of books is huge and many of them are not in agreement with one another. In the early years of Christianity it was much more diverse then it is today. To lump all the books into one collection would have made Christianity meaningless. Anything that goes into many directions at once ends up going nowhere very quickly.

 

[Thruve]

Any links to these writings?

 

[roger1440]

Any links to these writings?

Here is a good place to start. I have been reading them for over 25 years.

Nag Hammadi library - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[roger1440]

Any links to these writings?

Here is another. I have read three or four books on the Gospel of Judas.

The Gospel of Judas - National Geographic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z77htOLSBiY

 

[Thruve]

Here is another. I have read three or four books on the Gospel of Judas.

The Gospel of Judas - National Geographic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z77htOLSBiY

ty dude. bookmarking all of these, haha.

 

[roger1440]

ty dude. bookmarking all of these, haha.

Most of these books are available to read on the internet. You can even download them in the PDF format. Youtube has tons of videos about them.

 

[roger1440]

ty dude. bookmarking all of these, haha.

Here is a link to the Nag Hammadi library book. It’s in the PDF format. It’s about 20 megabytes.
http://khazarzar.skeptik.net/books/nhl.pdf

 

[te_lanus]

Jesus gave authority to those 12 apostles... he gave them holy spirit so that they would lay the 'foundation' for Christianity. Their foundation was laid before the end of the first century...the Apostle John being last surviving apostle to put anything down in writing which were his last 3 letters to the congregations.

If Jesus gave authority to the 12, why don't we have more books by the other disciples.

 

[Pegg]

If Jesus gave authority to the 12, why don't we have more books by the other disciples.

thats exactly what the apocrypha is.

The apocryphal writings are from various christians who attempted to add their own ideas to the Apostles established teachings. Some of those christians even attempted to change the established teachings of the apostles.

And thats why their writings should be rejected.

 

[Desert Snake]

thats exactly what the apocrypha is.

The apocryphal writings are from various christians who attempted to add their own ideas to the Apostles established teachings. Some of those christians even attempted to change the established teachings of the apostles.

And thats why their writings should be rejected.

That would make a great thread..

 

[Pegg]

That would make a great thread..

yes it would. We could analyse exactly how the apocrypha contradict what Christ had taught.

 

[Shiranui117]

For the record, are we considering non-Gnostic writings such as the Epistle of Barnabas, the Shepherd of Hermas and 1 Clement as "apocrypha"? Because these were included in some early manuscripts of the Bible, including the Codex Sinaiticus.